Ecclestone has doubts over US F1 and Campos

Lola atleast is somesort of classic and remembered by F1 fans, but this USF1 thingy smells more like Phoenix or what ever it was meant to be back in 2002.. :P

Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?

Wasn't Lola's qualifying in Melbourne even worse than the F3000? Such an epic failure.



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> but this USF1 thingy smells more like
> Phoenix or what ever it was meant to be back in
> 2002.. :P

Lol... Phoenix bought an old Prost chassis... fixed it together with spit and duct tape... signed some moron like Mazzacane to driver it and then turned up at Sepang or where ever and got told to bugger off at the gate because they didn't have an entry.

Now as epic fails goes.... that writes the the whole book including the foreword, epilogue and reference list.

Unfortunately USF1 has already beaten them because they actually have an entry....if nothing else.

I wouldnt be so pessimistic if I were you. They now have a you tube channel, ooh!

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Thanks for that.

1.07 on most recent vid - a nice shot of their car.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Lol, first thing I thought whilst watching that Video was

"Humm reminds me of how we used to attack a project at TVR. Impress someone with a fancy bit of CAD then CNC the beJesus out of some aluminium and make it fit something else that was lashed up"

And heylook where that method got us!

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> Thanks for that.
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> 1.07 on most recent vid - a nice shot of their
> car.


I like their front wing holders (do those things actually have a proper name? :P)

that looked a classic Pimp my ride scene. was waiting for Xzibit to pop up at some time.

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Nick, I dont know, everyone in F1 seems ahve different names for things anyway lol! Just wing mounts I guess. Just a Ferrari copy :p

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A nice overview of the video from Scarbs there and if anyone knows, he does !

Just a HUGE guess here, but I would say aside from Manor I reckon all the new teams inc STR will go conservative. Manor I think will be the people with the car to look at and go oooh, ahh simply because their design approach, though risky will allow for quick changes in huge details with quick response (relativley!).

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

I hope USF1 gets to the grid and does as well as their limited experience will allow, they've had a lot of detractors and people who don't seem to want them to make it, but they haven't made THAT much noise, and just got on with things.

There is, at present, very little evidence that they have "got on" with anything...

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Seeing that you don't particularly care, i don't think any evidence of progress is likely to sway your opinion

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I think all the new teams will make it to the grid next year, how many last is another matter.

Not sure why people think Manor will do well, Wirth has never reallly designed an F1 that worked well.

His 2nd Simtek was ok but when he worked for Benetton the team went backwards.

Not sure why people think Manor will do well, Wirth has never reallly designed an F1 that worked well.

His 2nd Simtek was ok but when he worked for Benetton the team went backwards.

The 1995 Simtek was an excellent car. Any car which can almost grab points with Jos Verstappen behind the wheel cannot simply be "ok". Hardly Wirths fault Benetton went backwards. Rubbish engines, poor drivers and lack of cash before Renault bought it. How do you go forward when you are throwing old engines in the back of your car and getting the epicness of Alex Wurz to drive it? After Wirth left, they spent 2000 with a car he designed, then 2001 without a car he designed, and dropped substantially. But that might have more to do with Mike Gascoyne designing it, rather than Wirths departure, who knows?

That was 10 years ago now, and since then his philosophy towards design has completely changed, and has produced a great LMP.

Also, define "do well". What is well, for a new team? Virgin should the top of the new teams. I'd have said Campos, but it seems Dallara producing what should be an awesome car won't stop the financial issues they are apparently having.

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You are right the 1995 Simtek was a good car just budget stopped them.

Do well as it terms of being able to challenge the midfield and finishing races.

I just remember what Ron onces said about Wirth when he was asked why he did not want him at Mclaren "I have yet to see him build a fast car that does not break down."

But yes again he has changed since then so we shall see.

I just remember what Ron onces said about Wirth when he was asked why he did not want him at Mclaren "I have yet to see him build a fast car that does not break down."

Bit rich coming from Ron really, because since 1993 up until the last couple of years, McLarens reliability wasn't exactly top notch stuff, and they produced a good couple of terrible cars too.

Wirths cars have been fast in context. If you plug a rubbish engine and midfield drivers into a good chassis you aren't exactly going to be winning championships. The Benettons were solid enough given the conditions they were run in.

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Simtek had zero cash in 1994 and had to build a new car, then redesign and rebuild it at the last minute after all the gizmos were banned after 1993. It ended up tidy, but overweight, under powered, with a manual gearbox initially and still beat the Pacifics and started mixing it with the tail end of the grid, indeed beating them by the end of the season. No embarrassment there - indeed, a rather fantastic achievement considering what the team went through early in their debut year.

1995 they started off in the red, still made a cracking little car with 2nd hand gearboxes, hired a pay driver and were still midfield when they crumbled under their debts due to unfulfilled promises.

Whatever the failings of Simtek, a lot of it was out of their control, and they went about things properly, and suffered as a result. Probably the last truly privateer team alongside the decidedly unepic Pacific. Stewart were private too, but they had big names and manufacturer support. Forti didn't count for anything, despite being flooded in cash for their first season.

Back in 2010, we've got some true privateers again, and guess who's back trying again... seemingly trying to do it properly again too.

Not suggesting he's epic or anything, but he's far from failed in his F1 ventures so far, has done little but succeed outside of F1, and when he has done F1, he's tried to do it properly with plucky little squads.

Gav said it better than me, with more detail. I wasn't aware of the 2nd hand and manual gearboxes. Impressed.

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It's funny really... Simtek is the one name I would have been delighted to seen back on the timing screens, it was just such a plucky effort.

I actually hope all of the new teams make it onto the grid... and I hope all of them get some good results. Sure it'd be hilarious if one of them fail big time and we'd all have a field day picking them apart.... but raping old brands or not, I hope they give the mid to tailend of the field some action.

And Chet it may upset you to hear this (if you don't already know) f1rejects refer to Lotus a "fondmetal Malaysia F1" or something similar, how awesome is that? <M>

I agree :p Like I said earlier, I would much prefer that name ! But no stopping a team for taking marketing addvantag.

Marcl - There is no doubting whatsoever Wirths engineering capabilities, the ARX-02 was a momumental challenge both aero and mechanically. The mechanical side more so!!! It's amazing that the car was as quick as it was with a poor engine (against desiels - however it was up against even worse engines based on old designs such as the Judd which is pretty ancient now!). It would be dangerous to doubt his capabilities so soon. Of all the new teams his has had the most attention, and rightly so, they are probably capable of achieving the most in the shortest amount of time. Having said that though I still remain sceptical regarding his methods but i'd be delighted to be proven wrong, and its only a month away now !

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL