2010 Formula One season [Huge update on page one]
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gav Wrote:
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> > The only thing is is Stefan had 'bought' Toyota,
> they would have made that slot, a la Honda >
> Brawn.
>
> The trouble was Toyota quit and then Stefan GP
> bought the assets.
>
>
> Actually Brawn didn't just assume Honda's slot.
> Brawn were given special dispensation due to the
> gravity of the situation (the small grid, the
> number of employees still working there, etc).
> It's why they were given 22 & 23 - they were new
> entrants.
An additional difference is that Toyota rescinded their entry, whereas Honda were still looking for a buyer in the hope of continuing.
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> > The only thing is is Stefan had 'bought' Toyota,
> they would have made that slot, a la Honda >
> Brawn.
>
> The trouble was Toyota quit and then Stefan GP
> bought the assets.
>
>
> Actually Brawn didn't just assume Honda's slot.
> Brawn were given special dispensation due to the
> gravity of the situation (the small grid, the
> number of employees still working there, etc).
> It's why they were given 22 & 23 - they were new
> entrants.
An additional difference is that Toyota rescinded their entry, whereas Honda were still looking for a buyer in the hope of continuing.
flat tyre Wrote:
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> From F1technical news. No wonder Stefan didn't get
> a place! I wonder how they lasted as long as they
> did?!
They've now updated the article with a response from Stefan to the claims
UPDATE: In response to this report, AMCO has replied us with a letter, saying "The German newspapers Express published an article that is not founded on facts but on speculation and bad translation.
The AMCO Corporation never stated anywhere that "it cooperated with the German Federal Defense Forces (Bundeswehr) on a production of an unmanned aircraft”. The correct information is that one of our engineers was involved in a construction of an engine for a German company, the buyer, which turned out to be for an unmanned aircraft. We never stated nor did we ever imply that we worked with Bundeswehr in any form or way. Furthermore we have no idea how we were brought in context with the other German companies with whom we had no contacts at all. Illustration about capabilities of our personnel in Serbia was misunderstood and maliciously used for sensationalist journalism. Such construction of facts can only be aimed to discredit us and all the others mentioned."
"On the other hand, our people should be recognized for producing parts for the ARIANE V rocket, seven years ago by our company in Serbia. We are very proud of this fact."
"The demanti have been published in the German media."
Could be a lawsuit coming up then!
X (@ed24f1)
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> From F1technical news. No wonder Stefan didn't get
> a place! I wonder how they lasted as long as they
> did?!
They've now updated the article with a response from Stefan to the claims
UPDATE: In response to this report, AMCO has replied us with a letter, saying "The German newspapers Express published an article that is not founded on facts but on speculation and bad translation.
The AMCO Corporation never stated anywhere that "it cooperated with the German Federal Defense Forces (Bundeswehr) on a production of an unmanned aircraft”. The correct information is that one of our engineers was involved in a construction of an engine for a German company, the buyer, which turned out to be for an unmanned aircraft. We never stated nor did we ever imply that we worked with Bundeswehr in any form or way. Furthermore we have no idea how we were brought in context with the other German companies with whom we had no contacts at all. Illustration about capabilities of our personnel in Serbia was misunderstood and maliciously used for sensationalist journalism. Such construction of facts can only be aimed to discredit us and all the others mentioned."
"On the other hand, our people should be recognized for producing parts for the ARIANE V rocket, seven years ago by our company in Serbia. We are very proud of this fact."
"The demanti have been published in the German media."
Could be a lawsuit coming up then!
X (@ed24f1)
Guys (and girls 
), just for letting you know: On BBC1 there is an F1 special from 13h00 until 14h00. It is a review of the 2009 season. Have fun watching it!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2010 09:49AM by kimifanaat.
), just for letting you know: On BBC1 there is an F1 special from 13h00 until 14h00. It is a review of the 2009 season. Have fun watching it!Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2010 09:49AM by kimifanaat.
1) Ferrari hasn't really been the same since that era.
2) Brawn found and exploited a loophole in the regulations which gave them an advantage, as the regulations had essentially been wiped clean. With that honeymoon period now over there is nothing like that to exploit this season. The Brawn/Honda 09 car was started much much earlier than the time your talking about with Ferrari, some report it as early as 2007.
Also in the grand scheme of things, they haven't had a massive head start compared to anyone else for this season. All the teams generally start the ground work for the next season around April/May time, Ferrari obviously pouring more of their resources into it with no 09 developments going on. Brawn has stated on many occasions last season that they too stopped developing their 09 car fairly early on, but when RBR et al started closing the gap they did have to go back briefly to find a bit more performance to stay on par.
2) Brawn found and exploited a loophole in the regulations which gave them an advantage, as the regulations had essentially been wiped clean. With that honeymoon period now over there is nothing like that to exploit this season. The Brawn/Honda 09 car was started much much earlier than the time your talking about with Ferrari, some report it as early as 2007.
Also in the grand scheme of things, they haven't had a massive head start compared to anyone else for this season. All the teams generally start the ground work for the next season around April/May time, Ferrari obviously pouring more of their resources into it with no 09 developments going on. Brawn has stated on many occasions last season that they too stopped developing their 09 car fairly early on, but when RBR et al started closing the gap they did have to go back briefly to find a bit more performance to stay on par.
rapid_f1 Wrote:
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> one thing im not quite getting is that ferrari
> stopped work middle of last year on the 2009 car
> to concentrate solely on the 2010 car. mclaren
> were updating 2009 car all the way till the end of
> the season.
>
> therefore shouldnt ferrari have a bullet like 2009
> brawn in their hands if theyve had so much more
> time than say mclaren? Shoould we conclude mclaren
> has a better engineering department? Did ferrari
> stop work on 2009 too soon?
Its mostly because the 2009 and 2010 rules (in terms of car shapes) are fairly similar. Therefore, teams could either stop work on 2009, or keep going, and there wasn't too much between the options.
Apparently, to integrate the double diffuser into Ferrari's 2009 design, it would have required too much work, so they just started on 2010. Whereas McLaren decided to keep going with the 2009 car and then transfer their gains onto 2010.
X (@ed24f1)
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> one thing im not quite getting is that ferrari
> stopped work middle of last year on the 2009 car
> to concentrate solely on the 2010 car. mclaren
> were updating 2009 car all the way till the end of
> the season.
>
> therefore shouldnt ferrari have a bullet like 2009
> brawn in their hands if theyve had so much more
> time than say mclaren? Shoould we conclude mclaren
> has a better engineering department? Did ferrari
> stop work on 2009 too soon?
Its mostly because the 2009 and 2010 rules (in terms of car shapes) are fairly similar. Therefore, teams could either stop work on 2009, or keep going, and there wasn't too much between the options.
Apparently, to integrate the double diffuser into Ferrari's 2009 design, it would have required too much work, so they just started on 2010. Whereas McLaren decided to keep going with the 2009 car and then transfer their gains onto 2010.
X (@ed24f1)
at least Chandhok has removed the forest he had between his eyes:
before:
now:
i hope he's better than Karthikeyan.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
before:
now:
i hope he's better than Karthikeyan.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Wow, that is a big difference. Much pluckage!
Karthikeyan wasn't a bad driver, he just had an atrocious car to work with. Apparently his technical input was excellent (although I can't provide a source for that information right at this moment.)
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Apparently Renault ran heavy at all the tests
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I can't see them doing much more than battling for 'best of the rest' with Williams and Sauber though.
X (@ed24f1)
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I can't see them doing much more than battling for 'best of the rest' with Williams and Sauber though.
X (@ed24f1)
Narain was a good driver I thought. Pretty handy when the grip was low, nad very much a good showman! I think given another chance he could do well. His problem was race pace. I think he pretty much had Tiago well and truley trumped for raw pace but when it came to the races, the erratic style soon found limits. often in the gravel trap or a wall! I will never forget watching him qualify for Aus. Was there even a corner where he was steering in the right direction insteading of counter-steering the car into each and every corner?
Chandhok hasnt really shown any form of strong pace IMO. Then again Kobyashi was nothing special in GP2 yet he was wow in his first F1 races. If Chandhok keeps paying up, then he will last the season, however the moment the money flow stops (if his performance is poor) he will lose his seat.
I am not pleased about Senna's situation. I am glad he's on the grid but in all honesty would have loved to see him get a few days of solid testing done. This will make a hard job 100 x harder and I dont want to see him struggle.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Chandhok hasnt really shown any form of strong pace IMO. Then again Kobyashi was nothing special in GP2 yet he was wow in his first F1 races. If Chandhok keeps paying up, then he will last the season, however the moment the money flow stops (if his performance is poor) he will lose his seat.
I am not pleased about Senna's situation. I am glad he's on the grid but in all honesty would have loved to see him get a few days of solid testing done. This will make a hard job 100 x harder and I dont want to see him struggle.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
If Senna struggles, for sure Bernie will push to make him drive a better car in 2011 I think
Hang on a second, re-check Senna's GP2 performances, and I beg to differ that there were some damn good drives!
Regardless of his uncle, let's talk about Bruno's own credibility, for what he has achieved on his own.
I'd say he does deserve a shot. More or as equal as, say, Sutil, Heikki, DiGrassi, Kobayashi, Grosjean, Buemi... etc.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Regardless of his uncle, let's talk about Bruno's own credibility, for what he has achieved on his own.
I'd say he does deserve a shot. More or as equal as, say, Sutil, Heikki, DiGrassi, Kobayashi, Grosjean, Buemi... etc.
Jake Humphrey et al have been recording videos prior to the new season, check them out on the link below:
[news.bbc.co.uk]
This particular one is fantastic at the end! (Probably UK visitors only)
[news.bbc.co.uk]
This particular one is fantastic at the end! (Probably UK visitors only)
Locke Cole Wrote:
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> Karthikeyan wasn't a bad driver, he just had an
> atrocious car to work with. Apparently his
> technical input was excellent (although I can't
> provide a source for that information right at
> this moment.)
Yeah, I always thought Karthikeyan was underrated as a driver. During the opening part of the 2005 season he had the beating of Montiero.
danm Wrote:
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> Hang on a second, re-check Senna's GP2
> performances, and I beg to differ that there were
> some damn good drives!
Agreed totally. For example, the GP2 Feature race at Monaco is about as close as GP2 gets to F1 in terms of outright challenge and difficulty, and in 2008 Bruno aced it. That alone speaks volumes for his driving ability IMO.
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> Karthikeyan wasn't a bad driver, he just had an
> atrocious car to work with. Apparently his
> technical input was excellent (although I can't
> provide a source for that information right at
> this moment.)
Yeah, I always thought Karthikeyan was underrated as a driver. During the opening part of the 2005 season he had the beating of Montiero.
danm Wrote:
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> Hang on a second, re-check Senna's GP2
> performances, and I beg to differ that there were
> some damn good drives!
Agreed totally. For example, the GP2 Feature race at Monaco is about as close as GP2 gets to F1 in terms of outright challenge and difficulty, and in 2008 Bruno aced it. That alone speaks volumes for his driving ability IMO.
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