FOTA Series

tripleM Wrote:
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> "During the course of this meeting, the team
> managers were informed by Mr Charlie Whiting of
> the FIA that, contrary to previous agreements, the
> eight FOTA teams are not currently entered into
> the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship and
> have no voting rights in relation to the technical
> and sporting regulations thereof."
>
> time for a breakaway, period

FIA = load of arseholes. There's being tough on something, and then there's just being stupid. Is this actually the FIA's viewpoint or is it just a legal wrangle they have to work-around?

I think they should just break away and be done with it.

Max is a twat and is always going to go back on things he has said, they should have made him sign a letter saying he would not stand again.

F1 is in such a mess at the moment, its getting rather boring.

The FIA (Max) seems to make things up as he goes along. He seems to want to kill F1 before he leaves, if he leaves.

He done a lot for safety but now just seems to think he is high and mighty as he got away with the stuff last year.

sounds (as usual) all is not quite what it seems

[www.autosport.com]

so if i read that right the FIA's version is,

FOTA agreed to drop the breakaway if a new concorde agreement was sorted out and the rule changes modified. The FIA agreed to this.
FOTA then send a series of updated (and rather long ) documents to the FIA, for inclusion in said concorde agreement.

the FIA need time to look over them and check that the contents are acceptable and draw up the final document(anyone who's ever dealt with lawyers will tell you how long that can take).
all this means there's a delay in signing so currently FOTA's entries are still provisional pending the signing of the new agreement.

the FIA then call a meeting with the 5 non FOTA teams (and currently the only offical entrants)to see if FOTA's terms are acceptable to them. (which it apppears, they are)

they also invite FOTA to this meeting (presumably to give them the chance reasure the new entrants on what type of support they'll be getting from them, thus making it more likely they'll agree).

it comes time to vote. The FOTA teams aren't given a bit of paper to cast theirs on, at which point they all storm off in a huff. The vote goes ahead (as FOTA weren't involved anyway) and FOTA's terms are agreed.

that being the case, where is the issue here?

FOTA wouldn't enter without a new concorde agreement, there isn't one because they made a load of last minute changes to it.

so as far as the FIA are concerned, they don't have problems with the new stuff so there will be a new concorde agreement ready in the next few days. the offical entrants have no problems with FOTA's terms so they all intend to sign it when its ready.

As the FIA point out, FOTA complained when the rules were changed without the current entrants being consulted. Thus the FIA go and consult the current entrants(which until the agreement is signed isn't FOTA) and they still complain.(and at the end of the day, they know what FOTA want, its the 5 non FOTA teams that where the only ones who could block it anyway?)

this all just stinks of tit for tat, with people on both sides just trying to score points and quite franky i'm getting rather bored of it now.

It WAS all legal. We have to remember there's Non-FOTA teams in this as well, who are actually signed fully up to the championship in time and all that. Presumably if FOTA were included then Non-FOTA would have grounds to appeal. Honestly, is there any point in having Formula 1 anymore or do we just watch FIA and FOTA piss each other off and only giving their side of the story for the next 5 years, because it's far more entertaining.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2009 03:33PM by The Lopper.

this bit does crack me up,

a quote from F1-live reporting on comments from an 'insider' regarding the voting rights of the new entrants

[en.f1-live.com]

"Most of us think that they should not be allowed a vote on these matters, although by all means let them attend the meetings and listen to what is being discussed,"


so let me get this straight. FOTA don't want the FIA to be able to impose rule changes on them without out them getting a vote.

but they want to have the right to impose rule changes on the none FOTA teams without them getting a vote?

all this whilst they are't even signed up to next years world championship yet?


then the fact that the 'offical 5' all agreed to the changes anyway make this whole thing even more farcical.

Won't somebody please think of the fans?

If the FOTA set up a breakaway series, can they just copy whatever they like from the F1 rule book? Or is there some sort of copyright on the F1 rules?

And this would mean some retirements of racing, look at this

"Things seem to go up and down all the time," Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen said on Thursday. "It changes every day. You lose interest reading these stories."

So, that would be the reason Raikkonen struggled this season... and Im sure Kimi isnt the only driver that is losing interest because this stupid war. Stop talking bullsh1t, lets start racing.

Looking on the past... in 1961 were something similar war, rules reduced engines from 2400 to 1500 cm3, and put a minimun weight of 450 kg for the cars. British teams announced a breakaway series and even they organized a "presentation race", won by Stirling Moss... all finished when FIA decided to keep the regulations, but prohibited switching drivers from one car to another (italian teams used to do that a lot), and then all happy... I think sport has to have a priority, and FIA and Bernie and CVC Capital Partners have to make the better for the sport and earn a little less of money, if they want F1 to survive