Barcelona Tests Feb 19th - 27th

gav Wrote:
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> Remember Ferrari still (apparently) have a major
> aero upgrade coming. It's getting a bit late in
> the day to test it fully, but without looking it
> up I've not heard it's been shelved.
>
> I want to see this funky nose. So little
> innovation these days I just want to see something
> different. :D


BMWs device on the front to mirror the midwing? Red Bull's huge fin? The front wing looping over the nose? What are you taking about? :P

Renaults much anticipated 'w' wing lol ?

[f1.gpupdate.net]

also has no-one yet got any images of the underside of that nose? Or has anyone heard anything, whether it is flat or not?

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

I'd hardly call then innovations. Just bits stuck on or extensions. :P

The Ferrari nose is (meant to be) something sculpted completely new and unseen in anger. While it's not exactly revolutionary, it will at least be some radically different by modern standards. Not just something that's been stretched.

Regarding testing itself I'm not fussed about these times, I still say Ferrari will dominate the season. Perhaps not as much as I was suggesting (all-but a couple of races being theirs) but I fully expect 10+ races to be celebrated with a midget or one of his henchmen on the podium.

chet Wrote:
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> Renaults much anticipated 'w' wing lol ?
>
> [f1.gpupdate.net]
> 2649&catID=3098
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> also has no-one yet got any images of the
> underside of that nose? Or has anyone heard
> anything, whether it is flat or not?


What the hell is that, is that their anticipated wing. Looks like some panel which has just been bent from both sides.

I thought that they said that the W wing was just a rumour anyway?

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W-Wing? First I've heard of it TBH sounds like a star wars out-take though...

Also, does anybody know what livery williams ran today? They've had a few special edition ones in the last few tests and I've not been able to find any pics of what they've been running today.

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Circuit Thermalito

Liverpool Waterfront Circuit (WIP)

A variation on the familiar theme probably showing where the white parts are going to be in the actual Melbourne version, with indicator lines:

[www.f1today.nl]

gav Wrote:
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> I'd hardly call then innovations. Just bits stuck
> on or extensions. :P
>
> The Ferrari nose is (meant to be) something
> sculpted completely new and unseen in anger. While
> it's not exactly revolutionary, it will at least
> be some radically different by modern standards.
> Not just something that's been stretched.
>
> Regarding testing itself I'm not fussed about
> these times, I still say Ferrari will dominate the
> season. Perhaps not as much as I was suggesting
> (all-but a couple of races being theirs) but I
> fully expect 10+ races to be celebrated with a
> midget or one of his henchmen on the podium.

If the nose is what people have suggested, it wont look so different, and radical? no.
it apparently relys on the same principle as the williams from 2004.

the idea is to relieve the high pressure build up from top surface of the wing by giving it somewhere to go, ie, over the nose. this was one of williamses primary features as patrick head said.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

I don't know which pics you've seen, but on the ones I saw there was a hole in the nose. That's quite radical in my eyes.

chet Wrote:
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> If the nose is what people have suggested, it wont
> look so different, and radical? no.
> it apparently relys on the same principle as the
> williams from 2004.
>
> the idea is to relieve the high pressure build up
> from top surface of the wing by giving it
> somewhere to go, ie, over the nose. this was one
> of williamses primary features as patrick head
> said.

It'll look radical though. I wasn't talking about effect, just something which looks completely different. It's not an innovation though - I think I've read it's been tried in the past, though I've no idea who by. As plus to what you've already said, it should also turn the nose into a downforce-creating object (intentionally or not), whereas previously it was just something to sculpt air with the absolute bare minimum of downforce created through it.

Wasn't the Williams walrus thing more to do with giving the front wing immediately clean 'access' (for want of a better word) to the air flowing over it and to compliment the twin-keel?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2008 11:32AM by gav.

Is it just me or do Ferrari appear to be having an awful lot of reliability issues with their new car? Just seen another stranded Ferrari from todays test being pushed by mechanics. Seems like we're in for a repeat of last season... Ferrari having the edge on most circuits, but suffering from reliability problems, while McLaren keep plugging away and picking up the advantages where they can. Saying that, I don't believe Ferrari have any edge on McLaren right now, but hey, testing right? Interested on seeing this new nose they come up with though!

A while ago I posted a Patrick Head article, it explains the Walrus's purpose...

[www.ucl.ac.uk]

"Looking at the car for this year, it’s got a very unusual nose. It came out of a development that started two years ago where we were looking to bleed air up from the upper surface of the wing, up through the nose and over the top of the car. We started with a fairly conventional-looking nose with a big hole in the middle, then as that developed we ended up taking the front bit away, resulting in what we’ve got now."

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Hondas pace is much improved :s

But the effect, JB apparently has a problem, or so AtlasF1 forums say.

Also the tiems for ForceIndia are awesome.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Fincent Wrote:
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> W-Wing? First I've heard of it TBH sounds like
> a star wars out-take though...
>
> Also, does anybody know what livery williams ran
> today? They've had a few special edition ones in
> the last few tests and I've not been able to find
> any pics of what they've been running today.


AFAIK, Williams was the first ever team to use a W-Rearwing in 1994... Senna drove the FW16 with that wing.

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The updates by mclaren seem to have moved them ahead by a bit, but we do not know what everyone else is testing.

Renault do seem a bit back as Alonso said and at the start of the year I can see them being behind rbr.

Ferrari do seem to break down alot as its been said, from what I know they have not got 2 cars to complete a race distance at the same time. I dont know if anyone can clear that up?

The only thing I remember is in resent years this is one track that mclaren dont go so well on so its interesting seeing them ahead in testing, but as I said it is only testing.

This talk of the ferrari nose reminds me of a few years back when Todt said wait until you see the new ferrari it was have a totally different front wing to anything you have seen before. The car came out and it was totally normal lol.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2008 05:31PM by marcl.

Atleast Renault seems to be copying ideas from BMW..



Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?

1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1min 21.234secs 82 laps
2. Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1min 21.434secs 71 laps
3. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 21.722secs 72 laps
4. Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1min 22.309secs 75 laps
5. Felipe Massa Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 22.513secs 102 laps
6. Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 1min 22.516secs 102 laps
7. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1min 22.558secs 110 laps
8. Robert Kubica BMW-Sauber 1min 22.625secs 96 laps
9. Jenson Button Honda-Honda 1min 22.659secs 67 laps
10. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Ferrari 1min 22.942secs 89 laps
11. Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1min 22.977secs 100 laps
12. Jarno Trulli Toyota-Toyota 1min 23.023secs 98 laps
13. Fernando Alonso Renault-Renault 1min 23.112secs 79 laps
14. Rubens Barrichello Honda-Honda 1min 23.159secs 74 laps
15. Nick Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 1min 23.284secs 77 laps
16. Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1min 23.323secs 98 laps
17. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1min 23.458secs 58 laps
18. Nelson Piquet Renault-Renault 1min 23.467secs 45 laps
19. Timo Glock Toyota-Toyota 1min 23.561secs 80 laps

McLaren seem to have a bit of an advantage right now... nice lap time by Fisi too!

I can bet that the Honda's aero department has no idea of wtf the horns added to the car can do for them, it looks like they are just copying it because macca and bmw were successfull in using them ;P

and on a side note, yeah, I also have no idea of wtf are these horns designed for :P

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I presume Vettel was driving the STR rather than the RB4? If so that's 2 days in a row where RB have been very unspectacular and look to have fallen a good chunk back from the teams they were battling it out with. Not reading much into 58 laps today, but it's hardly looking like anything special currently.

Looking like Ferrari and McLaren are stretching their gaps to the others a bit too. Rosberg more than a second back from the Maccas and still half a second from a rather more conservative-looking Kimi. Still, at least Massa was around his time, so perhaps it was just very different programmes.

//edit: cheers for that article Chet - helps explain things nicely.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2008 07:36PM by gav.

Actually, Vettel was drafted into the RB4 so that Coulthard could recover from his neck injury (which he sustained on Monday).

Or at least, that's what it says on ITV-F1...