FIA says has new evidence in spy case

mclaren are thieves it's very clear and u had to deal with it stop put it all on
ferrari and the FIA,

So who actually accused the FIA or Ferrari of anything in this thread?

this is the rules they got the info about ferrari so they
need to be punish, and now it's alomst become clear that they did use it so they
need to get punish more,

The last time it hasn't been proven that McLaren used it, so why would it be clear by now? What exactly makes you think that? In that area nothing has changed since the last hearing. Have you seen any bits from Ferrari on the McLaren? Have you any evidence at all that McLaren used it? Have you even got a clue what you're talking about?

and before talking about any other case or even compare
it to other situation just get ur facts right....

Well, actually this situation looks like the Ferrari/Toyota one, that was a spy-schandal, just like this. So, please get your facts right.

with this way of controversy i can just come here and said " yeah f*** mclaren
they should get disq from this year and the 10 ahead they cheater"
but this is will take us to anyway just will make more fight and unrespectable
conversation

Didn't you just come in here and say 'yeah, f*** McLaren'?

it must be my bias showing when i don't consider obtaining as much information as possible about an opponent by illegal means and subsequently using it to be a part of a sporting competition

Yeah, that must be it.

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The FIA have just announced that Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso and Pedro de la Rosa are involved in the spy scandal.

mikey worked with de la rosa at arrows!he two are good friends


Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it

assadof1 Wrote:
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> mclaren are thieves it's very clear and u had to
> deal with it stop put it all on
> ferrari and the FIA, this is the rules they got
> the info about ferrari so they
> need to be punish, and now it's alomst become
> clear that they did use it so they
> need to get punish more, and before talking about
> any other case or even compare
> it to other situation just get ur facts right....
>
> with this way of controversy i can just come here
> and said " yeah f*** mclaren
> they should get disq from this year and the 10
> ahead they cheater"
> but this is will take us to anyway just will make
> more fight and unrespectable
> conversation

Hahaha! Your such a Ferrari fanboy! Get your fact's right first before you post please.

tripleM Wrote:
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> it must be my bias showing when i don't consider
> obtaining as much information as possible about an
> opponent by illegal means and subsequently using
> it to be a part of a sporting competition
>
> Yeah, that must be it.

You chat alot of s&!t don't you?

They have been asked if they have anything to say about it but so far it looks like alonso and pedro have but lewis knows nothing. Alonso and pedro have already said to the spanish press they dont know what is going on.

On another site bbc i think it was they said ferrari intercepted the emails, so this means they were tapping into mclarens systems.

Max Mosley has sent a letter to everybody asking Alonso, Hamilton and De La Rosa to give all documents about Ferrari or Nigel Stepney to the FIA. Mosley ended the letter with: "We need to make sure that the Formula 1-championship is fair. Therefore it's very important that you, if you possess relevant information, have to give that to the FIA as soon as possible. Considering that this case is very important, I can assure you that, if you give the information to us, there won't be a case against you personally. However, if you keep information secret, you could get into serious trouble.

[f1.gpupdate.net]

Its said that pedro and alonso have replied but have said mclaren have nothing to worry about.

The letters went to all the drivers it does not mean that lewis knows anything.

mika19b Wrote:
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> tripleM Wrote:
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> > it must be my bias showing when i don't
> consider
> > obtaining as much information as possible about
> an
> > opponent by illegal means and subsequently
> using
> > it to be a part of a sporting competition
> >
> > Yeah, that must be it.
>
> You chat alot of s&!t don't you?

QFT!!

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

Hmmm, maybe Alonso wasn't lying about the 0.6s he says he bought to Mclaren, we just didn't expect it to be quite like this.

Some people really do talk a lot of bollocks here. Other people seem to have no grasp of reality. Really quite disappointing that the few posts here from the people who understand what's going on are overshadowed by fan boys and people who are just flat out nutters.

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Covfan Wrote:
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> Nickv Wrote:
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> > McLaren are getting deeper and deeper in
> this...
> >
> > I guess Wednesday will be a very important day
> for
> > F1. For both this year and the future.
>
>
> Mclaren get found guilty/banned from F1 = the end
> of F1 as we know it.


overreact much? you picture must surely be in the dictionary next to the definition of "sore-loser fanboy"

Covfan isn't a McLaren fan Astro. So you might want to rethink that post.

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Do you really think McLaren will be DQ'd and banned? lol, IF found guilty they will be severely punished but not banned. Doing that would give ferrari no immediate opposition and we would be back where we started with a procession every weekend .

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Yes I do think they would ban them, they would have to as if found to have used the info they would have gained an advantage that has helped with the car.

What I find ridiculous is that IF McLaren are guilty, there is a chance of them being banned. However, IF PdlR and FA had access to the information they can get away with everything by telling the FIA. IMHO, if either driver is found to have had access to and used the information they should be banned - in the same way as Coughlan and Stepney (if he is guilty) should be banned from being involved. How come a member of staff can get away with it just because he admits it? He shouls get a reduced sentence, sure, but not total amnesty.

gary42 Wrote:
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> What I find ridiculous is that IF McLaren are
> guilty, there is a chance of them being banned.
> However, IF PdlR and FA had access to the
> information they can get away with everything by
> telling the FIA. IMHO, if either driver is found
> to have had access to and used the information
> they should be banned - in the same way as
> Coughlan and Stepney (if he is guilty) should be
> banned from being involved. How come a member of
> staff can get away with it just because he admits
> it? He shouls get a reduced sentence, sure, but
> not total amnesty.

I think it is different in many ways. They "passively" receive the information (as far as we know/think FA) and perhaps they didn't really wanted to have anything to do with it as many people in the team. But the team is an entiry, the driver is a person...I simply think it is different. Not everyone in the team is going to be banned (what does that mean, they can't work?) but the team as an entity will be banned to participate.

It seems that FA has given everything he had to the FIA which can cause definitely the end of McLaren -Alonso relation...If I had some information and FIA warned me of retiring my super-license I would have given everything I had.

to "marcl "
i am not going to turn it as words game, they got the info, they didn't stole it someone hand it to
mclaren, although they know this is illegal but they took it and they use it.

ferrari not clean as everyone in this sport, but ha what a shame mclaren got busted... that is there
problem.

to "Nickv "
"So who actually accused the FIA or Ferrari of anything in this thread? "
well u can read the topic and see people talking about malysia 1999 and melbourne 2007 and more every
one is cheating in this sport.

"The last time it hasn't been proven that McLaren used it, so why would it be clear by now? What exactly makes you think that? In that area nothing has changed since the last hearing. Have you seen any bits from Ferrari on the McLaren? Have you any evidence at all that McLaren used it? Have you even got a clue what you're talking about? "
if they didn't use it why they took it at the first place is it to know what ferrari is doing .....yeah they
were curious what ferrari is doing that is all.

"Well, actually this situation looks like the Ferrari/Toyota one, that was a spy-schandal, just like this. So, please get your facts right"
thanks to the guys here i already since forever

"Didn't you just come in here and say 'yeah, f*** McLaren'?"
if that what u can understand from all that then it's ok for u to understand it that way.... oh no i didn't
meant to..

to "mika19b"
"Hahaha! Your such a Ferrari fanboy! Get your fact's right first before you post please."
yes i am but we will see in few days who is right and who is wrong, maybe i am worng but we will find
out even after few years things like this will come out some day


speed freak

Morbid Wrote:
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> mika19b Wrote:
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> > tripleM Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > it must be my bias showing when i don't
> > consider
> > > obtaining as much information as possible
> about
> > an
> > > opponent by illegal means and subsequently
> > using
> > > it to be a part of a sporting competition
> > >
> > > Yeah, that must be it.
> >
> > You chat alot of s&!t don't you?
>
> QFT!!

Faggot? LOL, your the faggot for posting that about somthing so stupid!

assadof1 Wrote:
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> "Hahaha! Your such a Ferrari fanboy! Get your
> fact's right first before you post please."
> yes i am but we will see in few days who is right
> and who is wrong, maybe i am worng but we will
> find
> out even after few years things like this will
> come out some day

Maybe you are wrong, maybe i am wrong? Who knows? But don't blame everything on Mclaren and say Ferrari are innocent because they played a part in this "scandal" too.

@ Mika19b, where does this "faggot" thing come from? who's called anyone a faggot in this thread? i can't see it.

(edit for typo)

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/07/2007 08:42PM by Muks_C.