FIA says has new evidence in spy case

"why are people ignoring that mclaren have enough evidence to show ferrari are still running an illegal car?"

Because at this time it can only be seen as an attempt to put pressure on the prosecution and is not related to the current case.

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[www.planet-f1.com]

So the only two Spanish guys in F1 start texting/emailing each other and it means they are talking about the technical details of the F2007 ?? Also by chance, Mike and Nige are communicating..

Whats so strange about that :s

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that Alonso is probably closest to Pedro of all the drivers considering!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Here's Paul (my best mate is Max Mosely) Stoddart's view on Stepneygate and what he sees as a biased FIA:


[www.pitpass.com]

Stoddy makes some really valid points there, and that Massa story is intriguing...

Stoddy is like the Michael Moore of motorsport!

Great read thanks for that mike.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

The economic espionage act is US law, and thus not applicable to this case.


tripleM Wrote:
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> "No spying took place and nothing was stolen."
>
> No.
>
> Just one example from The Economic Espionage Act
> of 1996

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

tripleM Wrote:
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> "No spying took place and nothing was stolen."
>
> No.
>
> Just one example from The Economic Espionage Act
> of 1996
>

I am impressed you managed to make a post with credible information in it rather than a poor troll like 1 liner, but unfortunately the post and information in it doesn't apply to this situation at all.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2007 02:21PM by DaveEllis.

if i am gona read anything about f1 it's ok but i can't read every topic or
an interview for Paul Stoddart or niki lauda, i have no respect for them (well
who am i to say that) but yeah i had no respect i don't know why.


speed freak

So you will only read the stuff coming out from ferrari? or people that only agree with ferrari?

Do you respect Sir Frank Williams and Sir Jackie Stewart? Because they have said the same thing as Lauda and Stoddy have.

I respect them as they have all been in the sport for years and know what they are talking about.

Paul Stoddy for once spoken sence the way he explained things.

At the end of the day people will think what they want and thats cool.

We will know tomorrow anyway.

Sorry just relised that was no directed at me



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2007 04:08PM by marcl.

Covfan Wrote:
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> Do you respect Sir Frank Williams and Sir Jackie
> Stewart? Because they have said the same thing as
> Lauda and Stoddy have.


Anything Sir Frank says is always right

And for once I agree with Lauda

Seriously, someone should actually hire an assasin to 'take out' Max!!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

gary42 Wrote:
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> Remember when the pictures came out of McLaren's
> 3-pedal system back in the late '90's - those
> photo's were taken by someone from another team
> (IIRC Ferrari). Now THAT is worse surely, the team
> ordering an employee to take photo's of a rival's
> car so they could copy it rather than a team being
> given another teams technical documentation?

wasn't it just a photographer who found out about it somehow, so photographed it himself then gave the info to Ferrari?

and I agree with Dave, if McLaren are punished as a team for 1 employee's actions, then Ferrari have to be punished as a team for the actions of one of their employees too.


matt3454 wrote:
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Its in the sports own intrest to find a punishment that does not involve suspending the only competition ferrari will have for the remainder of this year and the next.

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i don't agree with you there. if laws have been broken, the culprits can't be absolved just because it would make an easy championship for Ferrari. you can't pick and choose which laws to uphold and which to allow to be broken (if they have been broken).

imagine if it was the other way round for a sec, if Ferrari had been accused of having McLaren documents in their possession, would you say "let Ferrari off so McLaren have some competition and don't win easy titles"?

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RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

Muks_C Wrote:
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> wasn't it just a photographer who found out about
> it somehow, so photographed it himself then gave
> the info to Ferrari?

OK, I thought it was a Ferrari employee, but in that case it's pretty much the same situation as we have here, except with less important info - however with the Top Brass' knowledge

> i don't agree with you there. if laws have been
> broken, the culprits can't be absolved just
> because it would make an easy championship for
> Ferrari. you can't pick and choose which laws to
> uphold and which to allow to be broken (if they
> have been broken).
>
> imagine if it was the other way round for a sec,
> if Ferrari had been accused of having McLaren
> documents in their possession, would you say "let
> Ferrari off so McLaren have some competition and
> don't win easy titles"?

I agree with you Muks - you can't be saying 'Oh it doesn't matter - we need close racing'. There needs to be a consistent set of rules, you can't bend them for top teams.

Except that'd mean McLaern get away scott free in the same way as Toyota did....

mikef1 schreef:
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> Here's Paul (my best mate is Max Mosely)
> Stoddart's view on Stepneygate and what he sees as
> a biased FIA:
>
>
> [www.pitpass.com]
> hp?fes_art_id=32733

That's why I like him so much

1990 the ferrari team boss daughter had her photos taken sitting on the mclaren, this took place at the brazilain gp. The team had no idea that she was his daughter and the photos was taken at all angles of the car.

Ron found out and went mad and mclaren then stopped people seeing in their pit box.

The brake pedal in 1998 was taken by a normal photo guy. The funny this is mclaren used this system in 1997 and no one said a word.

I remember years ago when ferrari wanted a rule changed and if it was not they were going to leave f1 for indy car, they even built a car.

I also remember ferrari pushed to get active susspension banned, at the time theirs did not work well.

1994 canada teams complained about the ferrari engine cover as the whole at the back was not big enough.

1994 larani said they ran TC at the 2nd gp in a practice session.

1998 MS won a race in the pit lane without taking his penalty.

And we all know about sepang 1999, and still ferrari did not loose any points.

What people are saying is that the FIA do not apply the same rules to ferrari, and tbh if u look back over the years it is sort of true. Seeing as in 1999 Austria mclaren lost the points that mika scored due to a problem and the same for dc in 2000 brazil and he also lost the points.

If mclaren win Max will have to stand down and the FIA will need to be changed to stop all this from keep happening. People in the sport and out of it have had enough of the way the fia handle things.

No matter what happens though ferrari still want to take it further after the hearing so it wont be over yet.



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I remember years ago when ferrari wanted a rule changed and if it was not they were going to leave f1 for indy car, they even built a car.




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Does not look like they really made an effort though looks like a f1 car with different body work

That's what CART stuff looked like in the 80s. 1987 Indy 500 winner:

[www.penskeracingmuseum.com]

Anyway, Ferrari produced this:



It had a brand new 2.65L V8 Turbo charged engine, built to CART regulations and not F1 legal.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2007 06:21PM by DaveEllis.