montoya who???????
Posted by Zaahir
Yo Sup
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2001), but i thought it was so crap. that could have taken both schey and him out of the race."
WTF!!!!!!
Em, Jerez 97, Australia 94? France 99 (or 2000?) where he tried to run DC off the road at the hairpin?
Please shut up, you cant moan bout JPM taking ppl out if MS does it everytime hes given a car!!!!
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
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2001), but i thought it was so crap. that could have taken both schey and him out of the race."WTF!!!!!!
Em, Jerez 97, Australia 94? France 99 (or 2000?) where he tried to run DC off the road at the hairpin?
Please shut up, you cant moan bout JPM taking ppl out if MS does it everytime hes given a car!!!!
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
give him the car/tyre/package on even terms with MS and you'll see fireworks, it'll be fantastic for the sport
the fact is that the ferrari is too good a car
would you say that JV is under performing? again its a case of it being the car
who would not like to see ( and its total fantasy but boy it would be brilliant) to see JV JPM and MS all in a car each of the same perfromance and watching them banging wheels like we were used to when we had senna prost and mansell all going at it
that would be awesome
LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat
the fact is that the ferrari is too good a car
would you say that JV is under performing? again its a case of it being the car
who would not like to see ( and its total fantasy but boy it would be brilliant) to see JV JPM and MS all in a car each of the same perfromance and watching them banging wheels like we were used to when we had senna prost and mansell all going at it
that would be awesome
LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat
Em, Jerez 97, Australia 94? France 99 (or 2000?) where he tried to run DC off the road at the hairpin?
Jerez '97 was a bad mistake, Adelaide '94 was six of one and half a dozen of the other, and, well, to accuse Schumi of trying to run Coulthard off the road at France in 2000 is just ludicrous. Schumacher was defending his position effectively, and it worked. Coulthard was just angry. How on earth he actually expected to be able to pass Schumi in that manner any way is beyond me. It was an impossible move to pull off in those circumstances.
Jerez '97 was over 5 years ago now, and nothing remotely similar has happened since.
Please shut up, you cant moan bout JPM taking ppl out if MS does it everytime hes given a car!!!!
If you can name "every time" Schumacher has taken someone out, with the exception of Jerez 1997, then I might find what you're saying vaguely credible. But I doubt it.
MS is arrogant enough to think that he can bully his competitors into giving up a corner because of who he is.
But that's not true - that is in fact exactly the attitude that Montoya adopts. I'm Juan-Pablo so like it or not I'm coming through... room or not I'm coming through (like he so kindly demonstrated in Brazil). This is his big problem. And it's the primary reason why he's underperforming. Schumacher has got to him, and after Brazil, has really shaken him.
but if MS is this good in the 2002 ferrari, why is his team mate running him closer than any of his ex team mates
Because Barrichello is a bloody fast driver. However, Schumacher has shown that he is at least three tenths faster, even on a good day for Rubens.
does'nt look that good when you look at the facts now does it?
Well yes it does. Four times world champion. Grand Prix winner 57 times over. Pole-sitter 46 times. There's just no shadow of a doubt that the guy is head and shoulders above everyone else. He is the master and Montoya will have to accept that for the time being.
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Jerez '97 was a bad mistake, Adelaide '94 was six of one and half a dozen of the other, and, well, to accuse Schumi of trying to run Coulthard off the road at France in 2000 is just ludicrous. Schumacher was defending his position effectively, and it worked. Coulthard was just angry. How on earth he actually expected to be able to pass Schumi in that manner any way is beyond me. It was an impossible move to pull off in those circumstances.
Jerez '97 was over 5 years ago now, and nothing remotely similar has happened since.
Please shut up, you cant moan bout JPM taking ppl out if MS does it everytime hes given a car!!!!
If you can name "every time" Schumacher has taken someone out, with the exception of Jerez 1997, then I might find what you're saying vaguely credible. But I doubt it.
MS is arrogant enough to think that he can bully his competitors into giving up a corner because of who he is.
But that's not true - that is in fact exactly the attitude that Montoya adopts. I'm Juan-Pablo so like it or not I'm coming through... room or not I'm coming through (like he so kindly demonstrated in Brazil). This is his big problem. And it's the primary reason why he's underperforming. Schumacher has got to him, and after Brazil, has really shaken him.
but if MS is this good in the 2002 ferrari, why is his team mate running him closer than any of his ex team mates
Because Barrichello is a bloody fast driver. However, Schumacher has shown that he is at least three tenths faster, even on a good day for Rubens.
does'nt look that good when you look at the facts now does it?
Well yes it does. Four times world champion. Grand Prix winner 57 times over. Pole-sitter 46 times. There's just no shadow of a doubt that the guy is head and shoulders above everyone else. He is the master and Montoya will have to accept that for the time being.
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He's only 3tenths faster with Rubens setup, because he can't do his own.
What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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He's only 3tenths faster with Rubens setup, because he can't do his own.
What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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He's only 3tenths faster with Rubens setup, because he can't do his own.
What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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He's only 3tenths faster with Rubens setup, because he can't do his own.
What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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What are we talking about here? This is one Grand Prix out of some 165, that Michael has copied Barrichello's setup because it's clear that it is faster, and having number one status in the team (a position hard-worked for and well deserved I might add), it's the obvious thing to do. The fact is, the other 99% of the time Schumacher has outqualified his team-mate on pure speed and talent. Particularly that lap at Imola in the dying seconds of qualifying, that was totally Senna-like.
And as for Schumacher taking over RB's car in Imola - I'm not particularly for it, but why on earth should you fuss about that? He's paid millions to win, and if he feels he has the best chance of doing so by using Barrichello's car, then the Ferrari team oblige him as they know he's pretty damn likely to get the job done. Makes sense doesn't it?
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case, but still, I'd expect much more of him. I began to wonder last year whether this guy really was that good.
Your just using quotes out of context...not proving anything. LS wasnt talking about those facts...we all know them.
I don't really see what you mean. Why would LS state these "facts" if he wasn't using them in his argument somehow? And to be honest, there wasn't much context to use anyway, if you look.
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typical MS fan, has to cheat and post the same message 4 times 
LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat
LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat
would you say that JV is under performing?
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case
hmmm and what proof do you have for this alex? the car has been a dog ever since he joined BAR, so i fail to see where you get your evidence to say that
LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat
Yes. Lack of motivation is an important factor in this case
hmmm and what proof do you have for this alex? the car has been a dog ever since he joined BAR, so i fail to see where you get your evidence to say that
LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat
Yes a quadruple post!!! Now thats something to party about. Ill bring some friends
And as your present: A years subsrcipton to the Offical Michael Schumacher Fanclub U.K
And as your present: A years subsrcipton to the Offical Michael Schumacher Fanclub U.K
Oh bloody hell sorry about that, it kept saying connection error or something so I assumed it hadn't posted :' :D
hmmm and what proof do you have for this alex? the car has been a dog ever since he joined BAR, so i fail to see where you get your evidence to say that
Mainly the fact that he was driving extremely well at Williams, then ever since he joined BAR his performance level plummetted and it's obvious that he has lost motivation. If he gets a decent car again, maybe we'll see some more of the old Villeneuve.
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:Dhmmm and what proof do you have for this alex? the car has been a dog ever since he joined BAR, so i fail to see where you get your evidence to say that
Mainly the fact that he was driving extremely well at Williams, then ever since he joined BAR his performance level plummetted and it's obvious that he has lost motivation. If he gets a decent car again, maybe we'll see some more of the old Villeneuve.
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Sounds like a wet dream 
yo Sup
"didnt he middle finger schuey for blocking his line? LOL!!!!!! wat a complete idiot! "
get ready for this then
Silverstone 95, Monza 95, MS shouted abuse over to Hill.
Then belgium 98 when MS cant be arsed to turn the wheel enough to get around DC he blames DC for doing what he is tiold, storms down the pit lane and had to be held back by team members.
So its ok for MS to try to start a fight but when DC does the finger thats too much?
Is this double standards again?
"Jerez '97 was a bad mistake"
dam right
"Adelaide '94 was six of one and half a dozen of the other"
nah, MS knew his car was damaged, he could see hill in his mirrors and he could probably hear him too and he still turned into him.
"How on earth he actually expected to be able to pass Schumi in that manner any way "
the same way mansel did it around Berger at Mexico? Or the way RB did around cars at Hockenheim? Or the way JV did it to MS at Estoril? The way MS TRIED to pass JPM at Austria?
Come on!!! Did you moan at MS for trying to go round the outside of JPM at a hairpin? No, you didnt, so why should DC be critizsed for passing round the outside of a hairpin?
So if a pass looks difficult you dont go for it is that what your saying? More oparades than races then?
Double standards AGAIN i think.........
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
"didnt he middle finger schuey for blocking his line? LOL!!!!!! wat a complete idiot! "
get ready for this then
Silverstone 95, Monza 95, MS shouted abuse over to Hill.
Then belgium 98 when MS cant be arsed to turn the wheel enough to get around DC he blames DC for doing what he is tiold, storms down the pit lane and had to be held back by team members.
So its ok for MS to try to start a fight but when DC does the finger thats too much?
Is this double standards again?
"Jerez '97 was a bad mistake"
dam right
"Adelaide '94 was six of one and half a dozen of the other"
nah, MS knew his car was damaged, he could see hill in his mirrors and he could probably hear him too and he still turned into him.
"How on earth he actually expected to be able to pass Schumi in that manner any way "
the same way mansel did it around Berger at Mexico? Or the way RB did around cars at Hockenheim? Or the way JV did it to MS at Estoril? The way MS TRIED to pass JPM at Austria?
Come on!!! Did you moan at MS for trying to go round the outside of JPM at a hairpin? No, you didnt, so why should DC be critizsed for passing round the outside of a hairpin?
So if a pass looks difficult you dont go for it is that what your saying? More oparades than races then?
Double standards AGAIN i think.........
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Silverstone 95, Monza 95, MS shouted abuse over to Hill.
The circumstances were just slightly different in these cases. Hill had clumsily thrown his car into Schumi's while trying to pass - twice. Schumcher was angry that's all. Everyone has the right to be angry. I personally don't see anything wrong with Coulthard's gesture - if he found it unnecessary then that's his problem.
Come on!!! Did you moan at MS for trying to go round the outside of JPM at a hairpin? No, you didnt, so why should DC be critizsed for passing round the outside of a hairpin?
The hairpin in France is a lot tighter and a lot narrower than the second corner in Austria. In my opinion, Schumacher would have been able to pass Montoya. I don't think Coulthard would have been able to pass Schumacher there. Plus the fact he was trying to pass Schumacher, not an incompetent rookie.
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The circumstances were just slightly different in these cases. Hill had clumsily thrown his car into Schumi's while trying to pass - twice. Schumcher was angry that's all. Everyone has the right to be angry. I personally don't see anything wrong with Coulthard's gesture - if he found it unnecessary then that's his problem.
Come on!!! Did you moan at MS for trying to go round the outside of JPM at a hairpin? No, you didnt, so why should DC be critizsed for passing round the outside of a hairpin?
The hairpin in France is a lot tighter and a lot narrower than the second corner in Austria. In my opinion, Schumacher would have been able to pass Montoya. I don't think Coulthard would have been able to pass Schumacher there. Plus the fact he was trying to pass Schumacher, not an incompetent rookie.
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