ipad - pros vs cons

Posted by casabonka 
ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 06:38AM
Posted by: casabonka
hi all,
I'm looking at getting a tablet after xmas, and I'm 95% set on an ipad. so for those of u with one, let me know your thoughts!




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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 09:46AM
Posted by: senninho
Buy an iPhone - it's like an iPad, but you can make phone calls and carry it around easily.

Or, buy an HTC Desire - it's like an iPhone, but you feel like you actually own it ;)

Joking aside - we have a iPad at work for testing stuff, and it is a beautiful piece of kit. It's just quite flawed, and I can't justify the price. If you really want a tablet, have a look at some of the Android offerings.



Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 11:13AM
Posted by: casabonka
thx for the response - I didnt really say what I was going to use it for...

I work in signage, so plans are to take it on site, draw up a dodgy mock up the building and show placement of where we can do the signage - no camera is a big let down, but screen size is great at nearly 10".

The only decent android one I have seen is the Samsung, but at $1k (compared to ipad at $629AUD base model) its a big price difference and 7" is a bit small.

Other than that its just going to be used for the occasional vid and web browsing.

Are there any other decent android ones over in US/Europe as yet?




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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 11:16AM
Posted by: gav
As I keep saying about it:

It's got none of the good bits of a smartphone, while having all the drawbacks of a netbook or ultraportable laptop.

If all you want it to do is browse the internet at home, then I can see an attraction, but aside from that I think it's a niche product (see Jake Humphreys sort of niche, if you see the BBC F1 coverage) which is playing to the Apple sheep faithful.

/waits on the totally unbiased opinion of the forum's native ewe.
Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 11:53AM
Posted by: MikaHalpinen
don't let the price be a huge determinant in this case since it's gonna be a tax write off based on your usage proposal
Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 06:40PM
Posted by: Zcott
Have one. Would buy another. Thoroughly excellent device. Not without flaws but on the whole, a fantastic device. Excellent battery life, wide range of apps, great sized screen.

Just to go back to what Gav said: "It's got none of the good bits of a smartphone, while having all the drawbacks of a netbook or ultraportable laptop."

I'd have to disagree, as you expect. What bits do you mean that the iPad doesn't have?

Portability/size? Sure, it's bigger but it's still very light and throwable in a bag.
Cellular connectivity? I've a 3G model so there's no shortage of internets.

Having used one I'd say it has the good bits of a smartphone and a netbook combined into a much better interface than that of a full sized desktop OS on a 9" screen.





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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 07:37PM
Posted by: gav
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casabonka
I work in signage, so plans are to take it on site, draw up a dodgy mock up the building and show placement of where we can do the signage - no camera is a big let down, but screen size is great at nearly 10".

I guess you'd want something like a basic Google Sketchup, but there is no such iThingy version (yet).

I've no idea if there's any similar apps - there's plenty of basic sketching apps, but they're generally dumb note-taking sort of apps.

There is this, but how usable that is in the real world I've no idea.

Ironically, this is the sort of use that the iPeople sing you don't want... a stylus.


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casabonka
The only decent android one I have seen is the Samsung, but at $1k (compared to ipad at $629AUD base model) its a big price difference and 7" is a bit small.

Other than that its just going to be used for the occasional vid and web browsing.

Are there any other decent android ones over in US/Europe as yet?

A post I wrote on the VaderTrophy forums recently which covers this:

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Gav
I suppose I can see a use as a quick and simple internet browser, but that's it. They're no more portable than an ultraportable, they're more expensive, they're even less upgradable (given the complete lack of connectivity options).

The only shame is that it's taking the likes of ASUS and Lenovo ages to get a rival out - they're starting to seep through now, but only the direct competitors, and half-arsed they are at the moment as Android Froyo is supposedly awful at this and they're waiting on (I guess) Android 3 before they look viable.

The one thing that's interesting me (not as a potential customer I should add) is that Google Chrome OS is being postponed... I'm wondering if that's due to be retargeted as the Google tablet OS rather than Android.

They real competitors are the elaborate devices by lesser firms - those with imaginations like the one with a standard LCD screen which can somehow double as epaper (that would make a killer tablet). I suppose Dell's new netbook/tablet thingy is a novel take, but it's more akin to the old tablets and probably too chunky. A far better all-rounder though.

I don't mind the tablet concept, but I just think Apple's approach is half-arsed. Everything is a compromise on it. As I said at the time, it's got none of the good bits of a smartphone, while having all the drawbacks of a netbook or ultraportable laptop.

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Gav
They're all making them. Acer, HTC, MSI, HP, everyone (they're the new Eee PCs). Most are using either Android or Windows 7, but rather nicely there will be one which will be using both! It's basically a tablet (probably on Android) with a Windows 7 dock which turns it into a netbook! Tasty idea I suppose, though presumably not cheap and I guess reliant on the cloud for synchronising documents.

Windows 7 isn't a tablet OS. It's a bit too heavy (though SSDs will negate a lot of that) and as a general OS it's too fiddly for finger touch use - manufacturers are coming up with custom front screens (like you get on smartphones, such as HTC's TouchFLO), which ought to give at least some ease of use though.

Windows 8 it likely to heavily offer connectivity to the cloud, and I'd be staggered if there wasn't a start-up option for their own custom home screen, very much like Server Manager on their... well servers.

In short nope... but when they do start to come out there'll be a lot of interesting takes on the tablet.



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Zcott
I'd have to disagree, as you expect. What bits do you mean that the iPad doesn't have?

Phone, text, MMS, camera, webcam, external connectivity, external expansion (SD card, etc).

Granted you wouldn't need a standard phone in a tablet, but it would nice to actually have the feature, especially as there's sod all to stop them offering it. Sim card? Check. Microphone? Check. Speaker? Check. iOS? Check. That way, when you iPhone runs out of battery or if you lose it or something, you can at least make an emergency call. It could have been a nice video call option too.



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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 09:23PM
Posted by: ZaZ
I own a Galaxy S smartphone and a Galalxy tab (gift) but hardly use the tab as I'm able to do the exact same things (and more) on the phone.
Tablets are nothing more than a not very useful gadget imho.





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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 11:38PM
Posted by: senninho
casabonka Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> thx for the response - I didnt really say what I
> was going to use it for...
>
> I work in signage, so plans are to take it on
> site, draw up a dodgy mock up the building and
> show placement of where we can do the signage - no
> camera is a big let down, but screen size is great
> at nearly 10".
>
> The only decent android one I have seen is the
> Samsung, but at $1k (compared to ipad at $629AUD
> base model) its a big price difference and 7" is a
> bit small.
>
> Other than that its just going to be used for the
> occasional vid and web browsing.
>
> Are there any other decent android ones over in
> US/Europe as yet?

Wow, that's a big price difference for the Galaxy Tab, assuming that's the one you mean - they are about the same price as an iPad here in the UK, so I would've suggested that as an alternative. It's a shame, because it has a half-decent camera.

However, Gav has a point - a lot of companies are jumping on the bandwagon now, so it won't be long until there is a third or fourth option.



Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 05, 2010 11:47PM
Posted by: DaveEllis
Phone, text, MMS, camera, webcam, external connectivity, external expansion (SD card, etc).


I agree on external expansion, but phone, text, mms (people use MMS?) , cameras and webcams are really pushing that. Webcams are exclusively used by fake porn and 13 year olds to cry on YouTube.

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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 06, 2010 12:50AM
Posted by: danm
On the side subject of phones, I'd like to throw my hat in and proclaim greatness of the HTC Desire HD. I was sketchy on a big contract and swishy android phone, by my god it is useful and fast at doing WHAT I want WHEN I want.


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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 06, 2010 02:29AM
Posted by: Zcott
I think of all the current tablets out there that aren't iPads (Galaxy Tab, RIM Playbook, HP Slate), they're all competing with the current generation iPad. And their main selling points is that they do things the iPad can't do.

For example, how many of them are aggressively advertising flash, multitasking, USB ports, HDMI ports? Pretty much all of them. How many of them are actually trying to be better than the iPad in terms of actual usability and interface? None. And only RIM are actually using a proper tablet OS. The Slate runs Windows 7, and the Galaxy Tab runs that one version of Android that Google said "isn't for tablets".

All these tablets have been aggressively marketed in response to the success of the iPad (I'm not going to claim Apple invented the market; that's for Steve Jobs to pretend to do). However, they're all taking on iPad v1.0. By the time the Playbook comes out and the Slate comes out in larger numbers, iPad 2 will be out, and no doubt that'll have video conferencing, upgraded screen (anyone who has seen an iPhone 4 knows what I mean), more RAM, faster processor, etc.

I just don't see why, if you want a tablet computer, you wouldn't buy an iPad.

Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 06, 2010 03:05AM
Posted by: casabonka
thanks for all the feedback so far - its good to hear some honest answers, rather than the drivel on every tech website.

Id be interested in a good android one as my phone is also android powered and would probably make life easy! Might need to wait a bit longer I think :)




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Re: ipad - pros vs cons
Date: December 06, 2010 08:43AM
Posted by: gav
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DaveEllis
I agree on external expansion, but phone, text, mms (people use MMS?) , cameras and webcams are really pushing that. Webcams are exclusively used by fake porn and 13 year olds to cry on YouTube.

Oh, I agree they'd not be widely used, but there's zero reason for them not to include any of that stuff. Everything (apart from the camera, which it really should have come with) is already included, both hardware and software.


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Zcott
I think of all the current tablets out there that aren't iPads (Galaxy Tab, RIM Playbook, HP Slate), they're all competing with the current generation iPad. And their main selling points is that they do things the iPad can't do.

So really, they'll be a step ahead of the iPad? ;)

I agree though. There's little in the way of the standard tablet coming from competitors. Without a market to target, there's little point in attempting to attract them so far (other than for Blackberry with their business users).

Therefore it's good to see other makers diversify - like I said, those with the LCD+epaper screens, those with netbook docks, etc. When the alternative tablet finally comes proper, we may well see an Android-style attack, and that's nothing but good news for the end user. :)


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Zcott
I just don't see why, if you want a tablet computer, you wouldn't buy an iPad.

Agreed - at the moment they have no real competition.

The iPad is a decent product (if you take away the price). I just wish it wasn't as half-arsed as it was.



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