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Posted by jawwad01
Ferrari_Fuhrer Wrote:
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> Muks_C Wrote:
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> Absolutely. But let's be clear, it has to work
> both ways. People who don't believe mustn't look
> down upon people who do believe, something which
> is often conveniently forgotten by many.
>
that is true unfortunatly, those who dont belive often force there non-beliefs onto the believers, making themsevles just as bad.
i just believe that i am god, and you all should bow down to me. i just dont expect it to ever happen
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> Muks_C Wrote:
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in.
>
> Absolutely. But let's be clear, it has to work
> both ways. People who don't believe mustn't look
> down upon people who do believe, something which
> is often conveniently forgotten by many.
>
that is true unfortunatly, those who dont belive often force there non-beliefs onto the believers, making themsevles just as bad.
i just believe that i am god, and you all should bow down to me. i just dont expect it to ever happen
Ferrari_Fuhrer Wrote:
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> Absolutely. But let's be clear, it has to work
> both ways. People who don't believe mustn't look
> down upon people who do believe, something which
> is often conveniently forgotten by many.
true, it has to work both ways. but in my experience, i find that the majority of the time it's religious people trying to force religion upon non-religious people, tyring to make them religious, or transfer to their religion, rather than a non-religious person going round telling religious people to stop believing.
take this thread as an example, it's a religious person telling people who follow other religions, and people who don't follow any religion, to read a book and believe/understand his religion. it's not a thread where an atheist is telling everyone to stop believing. i will give my opinion when asked about religion in general, but i won't start a thread, or go knocking on people's doors to tell them not to believe in God, that's the difference.
@ Jawwad, where is the proof of your opinion? there is no proof of my opinion, because it's my "opinion".
and why does life have to have a purpose? in my mind, we are all lucky to have been born, so we should make the most out of it, and then when we die, it's the end of story. we are not here to serve any higher purpose than to simply exist. we are no different to every other animal on the earth. why do religious people seem to think we are some higher being than every other animal? sure we may possess the most intelligence (lol) but the dinosaurs once ruled the earth, but then they died. no doubt one day humans will die out and another breed will rule the earth, and they may well be more intelligent than humans were, and they will believe that they were sent on a mission from God.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
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> Absolutely. But let's be clear, it has to work
> both ways. People who don't believe mustn't look
> down upon people who do believe, something which
> is often conveniently forgotten by many.
true, it has to work both ways. but in my experience, i find that the majority of the time it's religious people trying to force religion upon non-religious people, tyring to make them religious, or transfer to their religion, rather than a non-religious person going round telling religious people to stop believing.
take this thread as an example, it's a religious person telling people who follow other religions, and people who don't follow any religion, to read a book and believe/understand his religion. it's not a thread where an atheist is telling everyone to stop believing. i will give my opinion when asked about religion in general, but i won't start a thread, or go knocking on people's doors to tell them not to believe in God, that's the difference.
@ Jawwad, where is the proof of your opinion? there is no proof of my opinion, because it's my "opinion".
and why does life have to have a purpose? in my mind, we are all lucky to have been born, so we should make the most out of it, and then when we die, it's the end of story. we are not here to serve any higher purpose than to simply exist. we are no different to every other animal on the earth. why do religious people seem to think we are some higher being than every other animal? sure we may possess the most intelligence (lol) but the dinosaurs once ruled the earth, but then they died. no doubt one day humans will die out and another breed will rule the earth, and they may well be more intelligent than humans were, and they will believe that they were sent on a mission from God.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
jawwad01 Wrote:
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> Today...who is responsible for injustice?.....its
> so easy.......It is only man and not anyother
> creature that become so selfish,mean for the
> desires..true - you cannot ignore it.
>
Here's a thought.... out in the jungle rival groups of animals generally don't get along. Rival prides of lions for example have their own territories. If another pride enters their territory they will more often than not end up in a violent confrontation with the interlopers.
Are humans and their 'injustices' not merely acting on their own imprinted animal instincts? At the end of the day, conflict is replicated throughout the food chain upon we sit at the top. It's just that today we can do it with cruise missiles and road side bombs as opposed to teeth and claws, and we substitute 'religion' and 'influence' for 'hunting territory' and 'mating partners.'
And no need for anyone for say 'no offence', this is a great discussion and I think everyone's established that we are all talking and expressing our viewpoints calmly, respectfully and intelligently. There's hope for us all yet
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>
> Today...who is responsible for injustice?.....its
> so easy.......It is only man and not anyother
> creature that become so selfish,mean for the
> desires..true - you cannot ignore it.
>
Here's a thought.... out in the jungle rival groups of animals generally don't get along. Rival prides of lions for example have their own territories. If another pride enters their territory they will more often than not end up in a violent confrontation with the interlopers.
Are humans and their 'injustices' not merely acting on their own imprinted animal instincts? At the end of the day, conflict is replicated throughout the food chain upon we sit at the top. It's just that today we can do it with cruise missiles and road side bombs as opposed to teeth and claws, and we substitute 'religion' and 'influence' for 'hunting territory' and 'mating partners.'
And no need for anyone for say 'no offence', this is a great discussion and I think everyone's established that we are all talking and expressing our viewpoints calmly, respectfully and intelligently. There's hope for us all yet
@jawwad01
Please can I ask your beliefs and views on the following please:
- Dinosaurs
- Evolution
- Survival of the Fittest
- Charles Darwin in general
- Pokemon
What is the Islamic perspective on these, do they believe in Dinosaurs?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2008 02:16PM by danm.
Please can I ask your beliefs and views on the following please:
- Dinosaurs
- Evolution
- Survival of the Fittest
- Charles Darwin in general
- Pokemon
What is the Islamic perspective on these, do they believe in Dinosaurs?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2008 02:16PM by danm.
@DaveEllis
See, i said that man has 'knowledge' which makes it superior to other creatures.
That doesn't answer my question in the slightest.
Looks like yet another case of this tbh -
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jawwad01 Wrote:
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> How many people were atheist when they were
> born?
at a rough guess i'd say about 6 billion who are alive currently, and many hundreds of billions who have lived before us. you are not born with a religion in your head, you are born as a "blank page". what enters your head is what you see around you, and what you are taught, you are not born with anything.
a religion is only something like a football club, or your favourite movie star or music band, it's something you like and want to follow, it is not already inside you when you are born.
all IMO of course.
completely agree with Dave's diagram.
also, i've haven't heard of many scientists refuting the theory of evolution. don't forget, it is a theory, and whilst you will come back and say "ha ha, it is only a theory", it makes a lot of bloody good sense IMO, and is far more logical and believable than the theory of creation, where nothing existed, then suddenly one day the Earth appeared, and another day a human was beamed out of nowhere. you ask for proof of how we know what happened with evolution. ever heard of fossils?
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2008 08:49PM by Muks_C.
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> How many people were atheist when they were
> born?
at a rough guess i'd say about 6 billion who are alive currently, and many hundreds of billions who have lived before us. you are not born with a religion in your head, you are born as a "blank page". what enters your head is what you see around you, and what you are taught, you are not born with anything.
a religion is only something like a football club, or your favourite movie star or music band, it's something you like and want to follow, it is not already inside you when you are born.
all IMO of course.
completely agree with Dave's diagram.
also, i've haven't heard of many scientists refuting the theory of evolution. don't forget, it is a theory, and whilst you will come back and say "ha ha, it is only a theory", it makes a lot of bloody good sense IMO, and is far more logical and believable than the theory of creation, where nothing existed, then suddenly one day the Earth appeared, and another day a human was beamed out of nowhere. you ask for proof of how we know what happened with evolution. ever heard of fossils?
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2008 08:49PM by Muks_C.
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