ronaldinho...the best of all time?

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jaw on the floor!!!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/10/2006 06:44PM by ralv585.

...and a fantastic set of teeth to boot!

I have to say though, I find it great the way he can actually make good use of his skills during a match. He's not just showing off


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He's definitely up there in the top 10 but he's not the best of all time.

And well pointed out, Esben. He has a very high level of ball control . I'd still take the original Ronaldinho in his prime though, he's almost unrivalled [sic]

not yet but he is definetly up there

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Guimengo Wrote:
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>I'd still take the
> original Ronaldinho in his prime though, he's
> almost unrivalled
PSV days?

Barcelona and Inter, I was thinking. But he did some really nice stuff even when he was playing for Cruzeiro, that smiling 16-year old just humiliating the older guys :D

Someone just weren't paying attention when they were handing out the football skills

Best going forward, yeah... but John Terry would kill him (and I hate Chelski )

He is a joy to watch though... can't wait to see him in the World Cup this summer... see what he's like on the big stage, where Ronaldo choked.



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> Best going forward, yeah... but John Terry would
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> He is a joy to watch though... can't wait to see
> him in the World Cup this summer... see what he's
> like on the big stage, where Ronaldo choked.
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the same Ronaldo who won the golden boot in 2002? :P

Gav, lay off the Stella + Red Bull, your brain is taking off

Seriously. I honestly don't believe he's the best player on the planet. He's the best at creating, fannying about, and can score a few goals, yes... but I think John Terry is a better football player.

Don't get me wrong... I can't stand John Terry, despite him being English, and I could watch Ronaldinho all day long... but I really don't believe he's the best player...

Frankly, the Nesta of a few years back was better still... and Baresi... and van Bastan...

...Mini... did you see France 1998 at all?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2006 03:57AM by gav.

I was just making sure you meant 1998. I know the physio for those Brazilian teams (it's how I got the Júnior Baiano jersey used in the second half of the final), Ronaldo suffered of a bad case of night terrors, and Roberto Carlos was his roommate and was really shook up by all that, and all the players woke up around 4-5 a.m. because of it. It just messed up with people's heads, you could tell the whole time that Brazil was just lost. Ronaldo said that he can't remember what happened, just that he was feeling alright for the game.

And Gav, about John Terry, he may be a good defender and all, but I think Ronaldinho (the phenomenon as well) is better because he has better field vision, great creativity, great passing, shooting, positioning, movement, and among other things, he can make his team win. Just have a look, without him Barcelona have tied or lost some games that should have been gimmies. When he comes back, boom, victory and a show. He can shift the way a game is going and I don't see Terry doing that. But he's one solid defender indeed, you Brits should be happy with the new generation (except about the coach ).


Edit: And I don't think any defender from the past decade can be compared to the same level as Aldair, Paolo Maldini, and Lothar Matthäus.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2006 04:57AM by Guimengo.

Best going forward, yeah... but John Terry would kill him

certainly didnt when Ronaldinho skinned him to score that goal against Chelski

matthewp Wrote:
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> certainly didnt when Ronaldinho skinned him to
> score that goal against Chelski

Hehe, that is true actually... still Terry's hardly been in great form in the last 2 or 3 months

OK, maybe a wee bit OTT, but he's still got a good bit to prove to be the best of all time IMHO. I've not seen an aweful lot of him, but he still pales into relative insignificance when placed along-side the Baresi and Van Basten's, and probably Pele too, though I'll admit other than a few compilations, I've not really seen much of Pele to see how consistantly he could pull stuff off.

Guimengo Wrote:
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> Ronaldo suffered of a bad case of
> night terrors

rotfl, so that's your excuse :D




H E L L O

These night terrors, were they induced from losing against Norway?


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anyone saw the goal VanBasten scored in the milan-barca freindly game a couple of weeks ago? that was

gav Wrote:
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> ...Mini... did you see France 1998 at all?
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ahhh didnt know which WC you were referring to :P he did alright in 1998 considering he was injured.
On the subject though Ronaldinho is where near the best of all time yet. But surely makes the top 20 at least.

gav Wrote:
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> > certainly didnt when Ronaldinho skinned him
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> Hehe, that is true actually... still Terry's
> hardly been in great form in the last 2 or 3
> months
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> OK, maybe a wee bit OTT, but he's still got a good
> bit to prove to be the best of all time IMHO. I've
> not seen an aweful lot of him, but he still pales
> into relative insignificance when placed
> along-side the Baresi and Van Basten's, and
> probably Pele too, though I'll admit other than a
> few compilations, I've not really seen much of
> Pele to see how consistantly he could pull stuff
> off.



I've resisted saying Pelé was the best for a long time but finally gave in. He was just incredible, to say the least. People often forget another magnificent player who some say was better than Pelé, Garrincha. He won the 1962 World Cup for Brazil, basically.

And regarding Baresi and Van Basten's achievements... Ronaldinho Gaúcho has a World Cup championship, Copa América and the Confederations Cup. All he lacks is the Olympic title, but that's because of stupid coaches not choosing the best players. Bear in mind I love Marco van Basten, shame that great players have to retire because of useless crappy ones who must resort to violence on such beautiful sport.

And no Esben, it wasn't because of Norway . His case was similar to a convulsion but apparently doesn't classify as one. I'm not a doctor, I don't know :P

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> These night terrors, were they induced from losing
> against Norway?
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No, they showed him a pic of gui in his bathing suit - the same that caused the erectile dysfunction for Pelé.

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