GPGSL Rule Amendment
Posted by GPGSL
GPGSL Announcement
Open for Discussion; an amendment to the GPGSL Rules for drivers expelled from the series due to inactivity.
It has come to the attention of the GPGSL management team that drivers who have been expelled from the series due to the current inactivity rules may return to the grid without further penalty to their existing perf.
This has not been an issue for the GPGSL in the past, however drivers have contacted us and expressed their desire for an amendment to the current rules. Therefore the GPGSL invites discussion from the team-owners and drivers as to which direction any rule amendment should take.
The current options available to the GPGSL are as follows:
Option 1: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will retain their original perf, from the series, less the new season perf percentage adjustment.
Option 2: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will have their perf halved prior to the new season adjustment.
Option 3: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will have their perf halved after the new season adjustment.
Option 4: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will have the base starter perf.
Option 5: New inactivity Penalties: Warning 1: 20 perf points penalty
Warning 2: 30 perf points penalty
Warning 3: 40 perf points penalty + expulsion with no further action in a new series.
Option 6: A driver expelled from a season due to the inactivity rules can rejoin a new season with his or her previous season starting perf. All perf points gained from the previous season will be removed.
As members of the GPGSL team are either drivers and/or team owners, there could be a conflict of interest regarding this amendment as it directly affects the performance of drivers and teams on the grid. Therefore we ask you, the participants of the series to assist us on making a decision.
It is not necessary to vote per-se, however your input as to how we run your series for you is valued and appreciated. If additional options are discovered during the discussions, they will of course be explored.
We allow seven days from the posting of this announcement to give all participants time to consider the topic. At the close of discussion on this amendment, the GPGSL will make an official Rule Amendment Announcement.
This rule amendment would be in place prior to the commencement of Season 6.
Thank-you for your time, the GPGSL team.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/19/2011 02:06AM by mortal.
Open for Discussion; an amendment to the GPGSL Rules for drivers expelled from the series due to inactivity.
It has come to the attention of the GPGSL management team that drivers who have been expelled from the series due to the current inactivity rules may return to the grid without further penalty to their existing perf.
This has not been an issue for the GPGSL in the past, however drivers have contacted us and expressed their desire for an amendment to the current rules. Therefore the GPGSL invites discussion from the team-owners and drivers as to which direction any rule amendment should take.
The current options available to the GPGSL are as follows:
Option 1: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will retain their original perf, from the series, less the new season perf percentage adjustment.
Option 2: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will have their perf halved prior to the new season adjustment.
Option 3: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will have their perf halved after the new season adjustment.
Option 4: An expelled driver returning to the series at the commencement of a new season will have the base starter perf.
Option 5: New inactivity Penalties: Warning 1: 20 perf points penalty
Warning 2: 30 perf points penalty
Warning 3: 40 perf points penalty + expulsion with no further action in a new series.
Option 6: A driver expelled from a season due to the inactivity rules can rejoin a new season with his or her previous season starting perf. All perf points gained from the previous season will be removed.
As members of the GPGSL team are either drivers and/or team owners, there could be a conflict of interest regarding this amendment as it directly affects the performance of drivers and teams on the grid. Therefore we ask you, the participants of the series to assist us on making a decision.
It is not necessary to vote per-se, however your input as to how we run your series for you is valued and appreciated. If additional options are discovered during the discussions, they will of course be explored.
We allow seven days from the posting of this announcement to give all participants time to consider the topic. At the close of discussion on this amendment, the GPGSL will make an official Rule Amendment Announcement.
This rule amendment would be in place prior to the commencement of Season 6.
Thank-you for your time, the GPGSL team.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/19/2011 02:06AM by mortal.
While I won't be racing anymore in S6, I'll still put in my unwanted 2 cents :P
I think option 1 is the best. The unactive have already recieved perf penalties. But a 60 point loss isn't all that much. You could also make the perf penalties progressively severe. So for instance:
Warning 1: 20 perf points penalty
Warning 2: 30 perf points penalty
Warning 3: 40 perf points penalty + expulsion
That gives you a 90 point penalty, which is a lot, since a victory only gives 15 points.
So maybe having this, combined with option 1 could become option 5 or something?
EDIT: While the current other options seem to be more harsh, a bit of calculation proves that wrong.
Halving the perf before or after the new season adjustment won't make all that much of a difference I think, but anyway, take Markos perf for an example of an extreme case. His perf will be halved and he'll end up somewhere in the middle of the pack, perf wise.
The highest perf we have now is 16175 with four races to go, Matts. Imagine Matt gets expelled one race before the end of the season under my system, so he'll have another two penalties and 70 extra points off his perf, giving 16105. That's the best scenario we have. That would put him down the end of the mid pack.
Since we would have a 90 point total penalty, many drivers could actually slip under the base perf (16020). Anyone with a perf of less than 16110 can have that happen to him. Atm that's half the race field and 18 out of the testing field.
So if you want harsh, the best way is probably to increase the penalties themselves somehow. And increasing severity may also encourage team owners to get their drivers back active (like they're supposed to do, but seem to forget)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2011 03:44PM by Nickv.
I think option 1 is the best. The unactive have already recieved perf penalties. But a 60 point loss isn't all that much. You could also make the perf penalties progressively severe. So for instance:
Warning 1: 20 perf points penalty
Warning 2: 30 perf points penalty
Warning 3: 40 perf points penalty + expulsion
That gives you a 90 point penalty, which is a lot, since a victory only gives 15 points.
So maybe having this, combined with option 1 could become option 5 or something?
EDIT: While the current other options seem to be more harsh, a bit of calculation proves that wrong.
Halving the perf before or after the new season adjustment won't make all that much of a difference I think, but anyway, take Markos perf for an example of an extreme case. His perf will be halved and he'll end up somewhere in the middle of the pack, perf wise.
The highest perf we have now is 16175 with four races to go, Matts. Imagine Matt gets expelled one race before the end of the season under my system, so he'll have another two penalties and 70 extra points off his perf, giving 16105. That's the best scenario we have. That would put him down the end of the mid pack.
Since we would have a 90 point total penalty, many drivers could actually slip under the base perf (16020). Anyone with a perf of less than 16110 can have that happen to him. Atm that's half the race field and 18 out of the testing field.
So if you want harsh, the best way is probably to increase the penalties themselves somehow. And increasing severity may also encourage team owners to get their drivers back active (like they're supposed to do, but seem to forget
)Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2011 03:44PM by Nickv.
Nickv Wrote:
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> While I won't be racing anymore in S6, I'll still
> put in my unwanted 2 cents :P
>
> I think option 1 is the best. The unactive have
> already recieved perf penalties. But a 60 point
> loss isn't all that much. You could also make the
> perf penalties progressively severe. So for
> instance:
> Warning 1: 20 perf points penalty
> Warning 2: 30 perf points penalty
> Warning 3: 40 perf points penalty + expulsion
>
> That gives you a 90 point penalty, which is a lot,
> since a victory only gives 15 points.
>
> So maybe having this, combined with option 1 could
> become option 5 or something?
paolo tafuro approves it
My GPGSL Career
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> While I won't be racing anymore in S6, I'll still
> put in my unwanted 2 cents :P
>
> I think option 1 is the best. The unactive have
> already recieved perf penalties. But a 60 point
> loss isn't all that much. You could also make the
> perf penalties progressively severe. So for
> instance:
> Warning 1: 20 perf points penalty
> Warning 2: 30 perf points penalty
> Warning 3: 40 perf points penalty + expulsion
>
> That gives you a 90 point penalty, which is a lot,
> since a victory only gives 15 points.
>
> So maybe having this, combined with option 1 could
> become option 5 or something?
paolo tafuro approves it
My GPGSL Career
I actually like Nick's idea. It's more or less the same than my ideas on this, but even more harsh.
I though of:
1. Warning: 20 points reduction
2. Warning: 20 points reduction
3. Warning: 40 points reduction + ban for the remainder of the season.
So in the end, Nick's idea would mean a 10 points more reduction but we're more or less at the same level. However, the more important part of this seems to be the transfer of the penalty to the next season. Option one sounds generally like a good idea, as it would simply mean to let this driver start with the last season's starter perf, or did I understand that incorrectly? However, at a closer look this would bring very unfair results, in the end. A driver who collected more points than he got less by perf reductions, would be punished by this, while a driver who collected less points than perf reductions would be punished a lot less. And a driver who didn't collect any points at all, wouldn't be punished by this at all.
Therefore I think it'd be best to do the percentage adjustment on the new season's starter perf and after that reduce the perf by the amount of reductions collected to get the final starter perf. As this one is then the base for the next but one season, it is ensured that the penalty takes effect permanently.
I know this is a very harsh suggestion, but it'd force both drivers and team owners much more to take care on activity than simply putting the drivers back on the last season's starter perf. And it would be more fair than the other suggestions, as everybody is punished with a fix amount of perfs rather than a percentage.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
I though of:
1. Warning: 20 points reduction
2. Warning: 20 points reduction
3. Warning: 40 points reduction + ban for the remainder of the season.
So in the end, Nick's idea would mean a 10 points more reduction but we're more or less at the same level. However, the more important part of this seems to be the transfer of the penalty to the next season. Option one sounds generally like a good idea, as it would simply mean to let this driver start with the last season's starter perf, or did I understand that incorrectly? However, at a closer look this would bring very unfair results, in the end. A driver who collected more points than he got less by perf reductions, would be punished by this, while a driver who collected less points than perf reductions would be punished a lot less. And a driver who didn't collect any points at all, wouldn't be punished by this at all.
Therefore I think it'd be best to do the percentage adjustment on the new season's starter perf and after that reduce the perf by the amount of reductions collected to get the final starter perf. As this one is then the base for the next but one season, it is ensured that the penalty takes effect permanently.
I know this is a very harsh suggestion, but it'd force both drivers and team owners much more to take care on activity than simply putting the drivers back on the last season's starter perf. And it would be more fair than the other suggestions, as everybody is punished with a fix amount of perfs rather than a percentage.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
I have to admit you guys confuse me
I'll have a look at other suggestions before I come back to this (and additionally have another check of the continuity formula). Maybe that'll help me to understand it better
/addition: @Marko
Where do you take the information from that the perfs are tweaked to a gap of 45 points? I can't find that in the rules at all. Sorry for the offtopic, but that's important to me.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2011 06:11PM by JohnMaverick.
I'll have a look at other suggestions before I come back to this (and additionally have another check of the continuity formula). Maybe that'll help me to understand it better
/addition: @Marko
Where do you take the information from that the perfs are tweaked to a gap of 45 points? I can't find that in the rules at all. Sorry for the offtopic, but that's important to me.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2011 06:11PM by JohnMaverick.
ah, that's good to know. Thanks for the explanations, Marko
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
im afraid I'm a bit old school in my approach to it...If they can't be bothered enough for one season then they should start again with the base perf in the next.
GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards
GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards
I agree with Captain Franko! If you have gone M.I.A during a season, then wish to rejoin next season, why are you entitled to be treated with a "reward" as such. A loss in performance should be applied. Going back the base starters perf seems logical, and fair to those who have remained active....
Or, if there are circumstances where a driver has voluntarily stood down from active driving roles, then re-joins later in the season, or next season, perhaps that is worthy of KEEPING their previous perf ratings. Sometimes life gets in the way of things like GPGSL, so at least if prior notice is given of your pending absence, you should be given some credit in the bank, as such....
GPGSL Team Owner Debut - Melbourne, Season 8 - present
GPGSL Test Debut - Hungary, Season 4. GPGSL Race Debut - Adelaide, Season 5.
Or, if there are circumstances where a driver has voluntarily stood down from active driving roles, then re-joins later in the season, or next season, perhaps that is worthy of KEEPING their previous perf ratings. Sometimes life gets in the way of things like GPGSL, so at least if prior notice is given of your pending absence, you should be given some credit in the bank, as such....
GPGSL Team Owner Debut - Melbourne, Season 8 - present
GPGSL Test Debut - Hungary, Season 4. GPGSL Race Debut - Adelaide, Season 5.
shep34 Wrote:
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> I agree with Captain Franko! If you have gone
> M.I.A during a season, then wish to rejoin next
> season, why are you entitled to be treated with a
> "reward" as such. A loss in performance should be
> applied. Going back the base starters perf seems
> logical, and fair to those who have remained
> active....
> Or, if there are circumstances where a driver has
> voluntarily stood down from active driving roles,
> then re-joins later in the season, or next season,
> perhaps that is worthy of KEEPING their previous
> perf ratings. Sometimes life gets in the way of
> things like GPGSL, so at least if prior notice is
> given of your pending absence, you should be given
> some credit in the bank, as such....
A good point...prior notice should be the only set of extenuating circumstances.
GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards
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> I agree with Captain Franko! If you have gone
> M.I.A during a season, then wish to rejoin next
> season, why are you entitled to be treated with a
> "reward" as such. A loss in performance should be
> applied. Going back the base starters perf seems
> logical, and fair to those who have remained
> active....
> Or, if there are circumstances where a driver has
> voluntarily stood down from active driving roles,
> then re-joins later in the season, or next season,
> perhaps that is worthy of KEEPING their previous
> perf ratings. Sometimes life gets in the way of
> things like GPGSL, so at least if prior notice is
> given of your pending absence, you should be given
> some credit in the bank, as such....
A good point...prior notice should be the only set of extenuating circumstances.
GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards
This discussion refers only to drivers that the GPGSL has expelled due to inactivity, not to drivers who voluntarily retire during a season, and then rejoin a new season.
Nick's option 5 has been added to the first post options list.
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[www.gp4central.com] <----GP4 CentralI am with the guys who think it should be a base perf. It takes barely any time to make a post and yes it can be hard to keep up but if your interest is there then you can find time. Being part of the GPGSL is a privilege and if you do not respect that you do not deserve your perf.
@ Marko Does this mean when people start the season half way through they get a multiplier as if they raced the whole season. Eg last year i got 4 points in 5 races so i get a 3.2 multiplier of 4 to complete the season?
This means last year i was uber crap
@ Marko Does this mean when people start the season half way through they get a multiplier as if they raced the whole season. Eg last year i got 4 points in 5 races so i get a 3.2 multiplier of 4 to complete the season?
This means last year i was uber crap
icky Wrote:
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> I am with the guys who think it should be a base
> perf. It takes barely any time to make a post and
> yes it can be hard to keep up but if your interest
> is there then you can find time. Being part of the
> GPGSL is a privilege and if you do not respect
> that you do not deserve your perf.
>
> @ Marko Does this mean when people start the
> season half way through they get a multiplier as
> if they raced the whole season. Eg last year i got
> 4 points in 5 races so i get a 3.2 multiplier of 4
> to complete the season?
>
> This means last year i was uber crap
I especially agree with this part icky, and whilst it is a little off topic I wish a few more people would bare this in mind. The difficulties I have had trying to sign drivers, for race seats for next year has been unbelievable. I have had people turn down a race seat to take a test role.
GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards
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> I am with the guys who think it should be a base
> perf. It takes barely any time to make a post and
> yes it can be hard to keep up but if your interest
> is there then you can find time. Being part of the
> GPGSL is a privilege and if you do not respect
> that you do not deserve your perf.
>
> @ Marko Does this mean when people start the
> season half way through they get a multiplier as
> if they raced the whole season. Eg last year i got
> 4 points in 5 races so i get a 3.2 multiplier of 4
> to complete the season?
>
> This means last year i was uber crap
I especially agree with this part icky, and whilst it is a little off topic I wish a few more people would bare this in mind. The difficulties I have had trying to sign drivers, for race seats for next year has been unbelievable. I have had people turn down a race seat to take a test role.
GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards
Well Chris, IMO you're mixing two things here. Finding drivers is always difficult for new teams, not only in the GPGSL. Everybody is looking for the best seats and when they're occupied, driver's look for alternatives. But the crossing of negotiations sometimes makes it difficult to make the right decision. Look at Heidfeld in F1, for example.
But let's get back to topic: After thinking about it another time, I also think that putting banned drivers back on the base perf is the most rational decision. It's more or less fair to all and easy to handle.
Anyway, I was just wondering on how to handle perf penalties of driver's who don't get banned because they only get warned one or two times. How is this to handle? Is there any approach on this in this topic or will these perf reductions wiped away after the season, as it is at the moment? Just out of curiosity
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
But let's get back to topic: After thinking about it another time, I also think that putting banned drivers back on the base perf is the most rational decision. It's more or less fair to all and easy to handle.
Anyway, I was just wondering on how to handle perf penalties of driver's who don't get banned because they only get warned one or two times. How is this to handle? Is there any approach on this in this topic or will these perf reductions wiped away after the season, as it is at the moment? Just out of curiosity
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
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