just had to say what a difference it is playing gp4 with a joypad compared to a keyboard! i have just started using a PlayStation 2 type usb joypad with analogue controls, and as it disables the steering help and the cc-line which you get stuck on with the keyboard, im seconds faster on tracks now than when i used the keyboard! i can pass other cars in places i never could before, place the car where i want, take the racing lines i want, and allows me to enjoy the game even more now!