3ds max to Zmodeler conversion problem
Posted by senna9194
Hi everybody,
since some time i'm working with 3ds max on a fantasy car,and today i tried to export the front wing to check it in zmodeler(with .3ds format),but when i opened the front wing with zmodeler i noticed there were some unwelded vertexs,so i exported it in .gp4 format,opened it with gp4builder and welded the vertexs.but when i do that,normals get messy on the end of the plates
this is the front wing after the "welding action":
before the conversion i made sure to have set all the polys with the same smoothing group.In 3ds max those black parts on the end weren't showed(only if i chosen smooth 30,but didn't apply that...)
i hope someone can help me to fix this problem
paolo
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since some time i'm working with 3ds max on a fantasy car,and today i tried to export the front wing to check it in zmodeler(with .3ds format),but when i opened the front wing with zmodeler i noticed there were some unwelded vertexs,so i exported it in .gp4 format,opened it with gp4builder and welded the vertexs.but when i do that,normals get messy on the end of the plates
this is the front wing after the "welding action":
before the conversion i made sure to have set all the polys with the same smoothing group.In 3ds max those black parts on the end weren't showed(only if i chosen smooth 30,but didn't apply that...)
i hope someone can help me to fix this problem
paolo
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Hades Wrote:
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> Probably there is a big angle between polys and
> you're using just 1 smoothing group and that's why
> you get defect normals. So solution should be to
> detach those polys.
so,you mean creating a separated object for those polys?
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> Probably there is a big angle between polys and
> you're using just 1 smoothing group and that's why
> you get defect normals. So solution should be to
> detach those polys.
so,you mean creating a separated object for those polys?
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It could be due to several things, could you post a GP4 Builder pic with normals display on, faces edges (F4) and showing the wings from a diagonal point of view ?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2010 09:04PM by Lo2k.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2010 09:04PM by Lo2k.
Lo2k Wrote:
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> It could be due to several things, could you post
> a GP4 Builder pic with normals display on, faces
> edges (F4) and showing the wings from a diagonal
> point of view ?
here's the pic:
Hades Wrote:
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> senna9194 Wrote:
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> > so,you mean creating a separated object for
> those
> > polys?
>
> When you're smoothing objects in max you can't
> just use 1 smoothing group and get nice normals.
> Since games use just 1 smoothing group then you
> have to use option "detach to element". So
> basically when you have edges that are separated
> more then 90 degrees use detach option.
i've tried to do what you say(detaching to element),but then,shall i apply another smoothing group?
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> It could be due to several things, could you post
> a GP4 Builder pic with normals display on, faces
> edges (F4) and showing the wings from a diagonal
> point of view ?
here's the pic:
Hades Wrote:
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> senna9194 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > so,you mean creating a separated object for
> those
> > polys?
>
> When you're smoothing objects in max you can't
> just use 1 smoothing group and get nice normals.
> Since games use just 1 smoothing group then you
> have to use option "detach to element". So
> basically when you have edges that are separated
> more then 90 degrees use detach option.
i've tried to do what you say(detaching to element),but then,shall i apply another smoothing group?
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No, the same smoothing group because the game only supports one. Sorry if I don't explain very clear but this tutorial will help you [www.mbdevteam.com]
Hades Wrote:
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> No, the same smoothing group because the game only
> supports one. Sorry if I don't explain very clear
> but this tutorial will help you
> [www.mbdevteam.com]
> _lm_tutorials/smoothing/frmtutorial.html
ok mate i followed the tutorial and it worked,but when i export it in zmodeler(in .3ds format) i still have the problem of the unwelded vertexs(as you can see on chamfered parts)
when i try to fix it in gp4builder i come back to first post's pic...
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> No, the same smoothing group because the game only
> supports one. Sorry if I don't explain very clear
> but this tutorial will help you
> [www.mbdevteam.com]
> _lm_tutorials/smoothing/frmtutorial.html
ok mate i followed the tutorial and it worked,but when i export it in zmodeler(in .3ds format) i still have the problem of the unwelded vertexs(as you can see on chamfered parts)
when i try to fix it in gp4builder i come back to first post's pic...
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What exactly did you detach in 3ds max? And btw sometimes even if you do everything right in max you can also expect broken vertices when you convert it. Unfortunately that due to the .3ds format 
Hades Wrote:
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> What exactly did you detach in 3ds max? And btw
> sometimes even if you do everything right in max
> you can also expect broken vertices when you
> convert it. Unfortunately that due to the .3ds
> format
i went to select by SG and select 2.and noticed that some parts were allocated to it,so i detached them.after having made it for 3 and 4 too,i checked the shape with autosmooth and saw that then all polys were using one smoothing group(1)
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> What exactly did you detach in 3ds max? And btw
> sometimes even if you do everything right in max
> you can also expect broken vertices when you
> convert it. Unfortunately that due to the .3ds
> format
i went to select by SG and select 2.and noticed that some parts were allocated to it,so i detached them.after having made it for 3 and 4 too,i checked the shape with autosmooth and saw that then all polys were using one smoothing group(1)
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Hades Wrote:
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> Just detach those vertices at the back of each
> plane, nothing else. If it still doesn't work and
> you properly detached than I guess you have to
> recalculate normals in zmodeler.
i tried with another version of that front wing(this time a 2 elements one)
anyway,i solved it by rotating the normals for those vertexs
this is a shot of the same wing in gp4builder after manual fix(normals are showed)
and this is one without normals
now i'll reply it to the 3 elements wing
thx for the help
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> Just detach those vertices at the back of each
> plane, nothing else. If it still doesn't work and
> you properly detached than I guess you have to
> recalculate normals in zmodeler.
i tried with another version of that front wing(this time a 2 elements one)
anyway,i solved it by rotating the normals for those vertexs
this is a shot of the same wing in gp4builder after manual fix(normals are showed)
and this is one without normals
now i'll reply it to the 3 elements wing
thx for the help
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Well,
The problem is, that the 3ds export plugin was originally made to convert .max files from a newer version of 3DS Max to an older version. Which is not possible by using the default .max file. In order to perform this operation, 3DS Max has to reduce a lot of the information, which get lost while exporting to .3ds.
The smoothing group(s) you used, while smoothing the model in 3D Studio Max won't matter, it's all in the plugin. Even if you import a .3ds file into 3DS Max, it will look broken aswell. To solve your problem, you do not really have to manually rotate the normals. Just weld all vertices together, and the polygons which contain the rear edge of the elements should be detached. After that, you'll see broken normals again. Then weld the vertices with the rest of the front wing elements ( do not weld the ones at the rear). In the image below I tried to show what I mean.
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The problem is, that the 3ds export plugin was originally made to convert .max files from a newer version of 3DS Max to an older version. Which is not possible by using the default .max file. In order to perform this operation, 3DS Max has to reduce a lot of the information, which get lost while exporting to .3ds.
The smoothing group(s) you used, while smoothing the model in 3D Studio Max won't matter, it's all in the plugin. Even if you import a .3ds file into 3DS Max, it will look broken aswell. To solve your problem, you do not really have to manually rotate the normals. Just weld all vertices together, and the polygons which contain the rear edge of the elements should be detached. After that, you'll see broken normals again. Then weld the vertices with the rest of the front wing elements ( do not weld the ones at the rear). In the image below I tried to show what I mean.
Good luck, and hopefully I'm welcomed to the forum
- Been watching the WIPs on this one for years, I think it was time to register!
Welcome to the forum KoenCalleyl of course you are welcomed here hope to see some works from you in the future as have seen your works in past and they have been excellent!
hope to see some works from you in the future as have seen your works in past and they have been excellent!KoenCalleyl Wrote:
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> Well,
>
> The problem is, that the 3ds export plugin was
> originally made to convert .max files from a newer
> version of 3DS Max to an older version. Which is
> not possible by using the default .max file. In
> order to perform this operation, 3DS Max has to
> reduce a lot of the information, which get lost
> while exporting to .3ds.
>
> The smoothing group(s) you used, while smoothing
> the model in 3D Studio Max won't matter, it's all
> in the plugin. Even if you import a .3ds file into
> 3DS Max, it will look broken aswell.
yep,i noticed it when i imported other cars that i fixed in 3ds max earlier
> To solve your
> problem, you do not really have to manually rotate
> the normals. Just weld all vertices together, and
> the polygons which contain the rear edge of the
> elements should be detached. After that, you'll
> see broken normals again. Then weld the vertices
> with the rest of the front wing elements ( do not
> weld the ones at the rear). In the image below I
> tried to show what I mean.
my problem is principally when i pass my models to zmodeler,and in zmodeler i don't think i can do what you say
> Good luck, and hopefully I'm welcomed to the forum
> - Been watching the WIPs on this one for years,
> I think it was time to register!
>
> [img715.imageshack.us]
> h.jpg
welcome to gpg KoenCalleyl
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> Well,
>
> The problem is, that the 3ds export plugin was
> originally made to convert .max files from a newer
> version of 3DS Max to an older version. Which is
> not possible by using the default .max file. In
> order to perform this operation, 3DS Max has to
> reduce a lot of the information, which get lost
> while exporting to .3ds.
>
> The smoothing group(s) you used, while smoothing
> the model in 3D Studio Max won't matter, it's all
> in the plugin. Even if you import a .3ds file into
> 3DS Max, it will look broken aswell.
yep,i noticed it when i imported other cars that i fixed in 3ds max earlier
> To solve your
> problem, you do not really have to manually rotate
> the normals. Just weld all vertices together, and
> the polygons which contain the rear edge of the
> elements should be detached. After that, you'll
> see broken normals again. Then weld the vertices
> with the rest of the front wing elements ( do not
> weld the ones at the rear). In the image below I
> tried to show what I mean.
my problem is principally when i pass my models to zmodeler,and in zmodeler i don't think i can do what you say
> Good luck, and hopefully I'm welcomed to the forum
>
- Been watching the WIPs on this one for years,> I think it was time to register!
>
> [img715.imageshack.us]
> h.jpg
welcome to gpg KoenCalleyl
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KoenCalleyl Wrote:
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> Hehe, I have been working with Zmodeler for 2
> years, you certainly can...the way the Zmodeler
> tools are named is different, if I remember
> correctly, this is how it was
>
> Detach = Create/Object/Detach i think...Creates a
> second object from your selection: Select the
> faces you want to detach, click on the screen, I
> think a dialogue window pops up to ask for the
> name of the new object
>
> Weld = Unify
> Then Unify both to one piece again. Then 'Unify'
> the vertices I highlighted...
>
> should get Zmod again to check for 100%
zmodeler 2.0 or zmodeler 1.07?
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> Hehe, I have been working with Zmodeler for 2
> years, you certainly can...the way the Zmodeler
> tools are named is different, if I remember
> correctly, this is how it was
>
> Detach = Create/Object/Detach i think...Creates a
> second object from your selection: Select the
> faces you want to detach, click on the screen, I
> think a dialogue window pops up to ask for the
> name of the new object
>
> Weld = Unify
> Then Unify both to one piece again. Then 'Unify'
> the vertices I highlighted...
>
> should get Zmod again to check for 100%
zmodeler 2.0 or zmodeler 1.07?
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alexf1man Wrote:
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> Can't you just open the GP4 file in zmodeler?
there isn't any GP4 file at the start.at the start there's a fantasy car i'm modeling in 3ds max,and i wanted to test the finished pieces ingame
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> Can't you just open the GP4 file in zmodeler?
there isn't any GP4 file at the start.at the start there's a fantasy car i'm modeling in 3ds max,and i wanted to test the finished pieces ingame
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