No Refueling (2010 Rules)

still insisting on this hypothesis (one item? is the data set...)? is not the track, but the magic-datas... you can use from "N" different sources (authors) with the same datas :/

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phantaman Wrote:
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> still insisting on this hypothesis (one item? is
> the data set...)? is not the track, but the
> magic-datas... you can use from "N" different
> sources (authors) with the same datas :/


Then why do you get vastly varying tyre wear on different tracks with the same global physics file?

who told you that is the same physics? use the CSM (ZAZTools) tool and you can choose what, how and where will apply the different situations :D

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2010 06:57PM by phantaman.

phantaman Wrote:
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> who told you that is the same physics? use the CSM
> (ZAZTools) tool and you can choose what, how and
> where will apply the different situations :D


No, I understand that!

The fact is that ttm's track (hence his magic data) produces very low tyre wear.

That's why I want to speak to him to understand how he achieved this (or whether he lucked into it! )

good luck (you will need much feeling and observations)

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2010 07:46PM by phantaman.

@phantaman You are quite correct it is going to take a lot of luck or thousands of hours or both by some programmer, to make this no refuelling thing work correctly. It is probably not going happen. And we may have to settle as nuts behind the wheel for doing only 20-30 laps. As far as simulators go that’s not a bad thing. And thinking out loud, just thought. When a aircraft pilot does a simulator they do not fly 16 hours in the sim.

@Rams If you tell us which track you are using exactly. We know Melbourne but which one? there are people here that can probably answer your specific question accurately.
I didn’t get much time to test on the weekend however I believe the answer is in track grip level.
What physics file is the patch loading whose car and what performance file anything else you may have changed?

Rams Wrote:
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> In the 2007 track pack, Melbourne by "ttm"

I will take a look at it That must be Plus?

old Magic Track grip 18552 New ttm 2007 16073


Fuel 8999 New ttm 2007 8260


Also grip factor Ace 516

Hmm

Sorry about the edit I was not done.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2010 04:33AM by auscain.

if the magic-datas is modified, new calculations will be required in relation to the physics and performance... because they were not produced for (working with), OK? :p

no refueling can not be reproduced in grand prix 4, because this was not developed to... i think there is no minimal possibility. for the moment all that you can do is use standard datas, experimental techniques and observations on new tracks. this has been done previously.

[www.4shared.com]

melbourne example included in the pack (.url above)

[GP4 magic file]

15 ; fw
14 ; rw
29 ; 1st
34 ; 2nd
39 ; 3rd
44 ; 4th
50 ; 5th
56 ; 6th
16 ; fw
16 ; rw
27 ; 1st
32 ; 2nd
37 ; 3rd
42 ; 4th
48 ; 5th
54 ; 6th
14 ; fw
14 ; rw
29 ; 1st
34 ; 2nd
39 ; 3rd
44 ; 4th
50 ; 5th
56 ; 6th
5688 ; unk (dw)
16 ; fw
14 ; rw
26 ; 1st
31 ; 2nd
37 ; 3rd
43 ; 4th
49 ; 5th
54 ; 6th
5738 ; unk (dw)
55 ; hard tyre
54 ; soft tyre
100 ; >= 50 tyretype 1 else 0
16384 ; unused
16384 ; unused
16384 ; unused
16384 ; unused
15882 ; track grip
16384 ; unused
16384 ; unused
28 ; related to next value below
1010 ; ride height
16975 ; air resistance?
6675 ; fuel???
384 ; subtracted from diff between field_e2 of 2 cars and then compared to speed of first car
13897 ; tyre wear
64768 ; added to car.field_108. related to cc grip factor
512 ; grip???
500 ; ?? cc power factor ace
509 ; ?? cc grip factor ace
500 ; ?? cc power factor pro
492 ; ?? cc grip factor pro
481 ; ?? cc power factor semi-pro
485 ; ?? cc grip factor semi-pro
469 ; ?? cc power factor amateur
474 ; ?? cc grip factor amateur
438 ; ?? cc power factor rookie
472 ; ?? cc grip factor rookie
512 ; ?? cc random perf range min
2048 ; ?? cc random perf range max
47 ; some chance. same chance multiplied with race perc.
64 ; segment count, range 1 to 256
2 ; sectors to pit in 1
2 ; sectors to pit in 2
20480 ; pre pit speed limit
15892 ; fuel consumption 1
16275 ; fuel consumption 2
3316 ; cc shuffler???
128 ; a segment nr before which flag 0x80 in car.flags_ce is not cleared
88081 ; timing factor? (dw)
0 ; timing factor finetune? (dw)
15400 ; helps decide if a tyre set needs changing? (dw)
21000 ; same as above (dw)
25 ; rain chance
6 ; segment nr (start of some range)
6 ; segment nr (end of some range)
256 ; another perf factor
16000 ; unk (dw)
122 ; unk (dw)
10000 ; unk (dw)
2048 ; unk (dw)
240 ; unk (dw)
115 ; new (dw)
110 ; new (dw)
13 ; new (dw)
0 ; new (dw)
1814 ; new (dw)
896 ; new (dw)
0 ; new (dw)
0 ; new (dw)
0 ; new (dw)
16384 ; unk (dw) (always 16384?)
16384 ; unk (dw) (always 16384?)
16384 ; unk (dw) (always 16384?)
16384 ; unk (dw) (always 16384?)
16384 ; unk (dw) (always 16384?)
16384 ; unk (dw) (always 16384?)
42 ; pitstop group 1 %
27 ; stop 1
6 ; pit window 1
0 ;
0 ;
0 ;
0 ;
0 ;
58 ; pitstop group 2 %
18 ; stop 1
7 ; pit window 1
36 ; stop 2
5 ; pit window 2
0 ;
0 ;
0 ;
0 ;
0 ; pitstop group 3 %
0 ; pit window 1
0 ; stop 2
0 ; pit window 2
0 ; stop 3
0 ; pit window 3
0 ;
744 ; failure chance : suspension
0 ; failure chance : loosewheel
0 ; failure chance : puncture
1489 ; failure chance : engine
0 ; failure chance : transmission
745 ; failure chance : oilleak/waterleak
744 ; failure chance : throttle/brake
744 ; failure chance : electrics
16384 ; unused
16384 ; unused
16384 ; unused
16384 ; unused
19968 ; bump factor
13 ; bump shift

[bumptable]

41,1
73,0
274,1
293,0
329,2
361,0
864,2
880,0

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2010 07:15AM by phantaman.

Man try and relax I don’t understand the background of things. Please change the readme file
I appreciate your help and your passion for Grand Prix 4 and I will take time to look at this later.

Thank you,
G

it is passed ... enjoy yourself

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auscain Wrote:
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> old Magic Track grip 18552 New ttm 2007 16073
>
>
> Fuel 8999 New ttm 2007
> 8260
>
>
> Also grip factor Ace 516
>
> Hmm
>
> Sorry about the edit I was not done.


Fuel is to do with the weight of fuel in a lap. You can't increase this too high otherwise AI cars will spin every single lap in certain corners (I have tested this)

GP4 Physics edit

Center Pressure Front 48 give it a try??? Slip Angle -5.5 or -5.7? I believe there is something to this also.

aus>What physics file is the patch loading?? What lap times are the computer cars doing?

I’m concerned you are going to make phantaman crazy with this it’s all been tested before.

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> 6675 ; fuel???

> 15892 ; fuel consumption 1
> 16275 ; fuel consumption 2

> 3316 ; cc shuffler???



6675 ; fuel??? -------- weight fuel,

15892 ; fuel consumption 1-----------fuel consumption
16275 ; fuel consumption 2-----------fuel consumption

3316 ; cc shuffler??? --------2200-3700 normal wear tyre. 0-2200 small wear tyre, 3700-5000 abnormal wear tyre



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/04/2010 07:58PM by maggi.

got it thank's also

> 3316 ; cc shuffler??? --------2200-3700
> normal wear tyre. 0-2200 small wear tyre,
> 3700-5000 abnormal wear tyre


You sure about that, have you tested it?

yes 100%

Ok, cool

Where does this "cc shuffler" value appear in TSM? (magic file viewer)

Maggi, you sir are a GP4 GOD! The data I've checked fully supports that "cc shuffler" value as being the real tyre wear value!

To answer my own question, it's "AI Race performance" in TSM. Setting it to 1000 offers quite realistic wear as a generic value.