Direct drive wheels

Hi all

Just wondering if anyone has any luck using modern direct drive wheels with the Sim. I'm particularly interested in the low cost MOZA offerings. But any feedback will be appreciated.

If not what wheel/pedal systems are 100% confirmed to be compatible? I know the mythical Ted Meat is using Thrustmaster so I'd say that's a relatively low risk option in the non direct drive department. Any other feedback appreciated cheers

Not driving lately but my Logitech G27 does the job.

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Also I tested the Logitech Wingman GT force feed back, good wheel but pedals not good.

The Logitech G25 works works well.

Finally i tested the G29 but their was no difference with the G27 in terms to play with Gp4.

So as for my experience all logitech wheels go well with Gp4.

Ted Meat is not exactly the best person to use as reference, i say this especially by his driving: so many mistakes i see !!!.


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Thanks brother appreciate your feedback.

Yeah Ted Meat's made some blunders but I think he finished 4th overall in a Jordan in GP2, he won some good races and he was driving with messed up steering for half the season. I'd like to see him redo the original GP2 with proper steering and see what happens.

Then in GP3 he was pretty quick (I think he finished 2nd overall) but he kept getting screwed over by the weather. On top of that he had Coulthard wipe him out on multiple occasions which was 100% DC's fault. Overall I think that's pretty solid on Ace level with no assists and no restarts. I think GP3-2000 he'll fight for the championship, he's learned from his mistakes.

GP4 yeah I agree don't know what he was thinking taking slicks on a fully wet track. Plus he suffered from the worst succession of reliability failures I've ever seen in 25+ years of playing GPx. But I think he'll come on strong in the second half of the season. Let's not forget he's doing ACE level with no restarts that's pretty challenging.

Ted Meat aside, what other wheels are people successfully using?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2024 08:35PM by GP2tifoso28.

Don't Logitech have a direct drive wheel? If the other Logitech wheels work surely that one will too?

GP2tifoso28 Wrote:
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> Thanks brother appreciate your feedback.
>
> Yeah Ted Meat's made some blunders but I think he
> finished 4th overall in a Jordan in GP2, he won so
> me good races and he was driving with messed up st
> eering for half the season. I'd like to see him re
> do the original GP2 with proper steering and see w
> hat happens.
>
> Then in GP3 he was pretty quick (I think he finish
> ed 2nd overall) but he kept getting screwed over b
> y the weather. On top of that he had Coulthard wip
> e him out on multiple occasions which was 100% DC'
> s fault. Overall I think that's pretty solid on Ac
> e level with no assists and no restarts. I think G
> P3-2000 he'll fight for the championship, he's lea
> rned from his mistakes.
>
> GP4 yeah I agree don't know what he was thinking t
> aking slicks on a fully wet track. Plus he suffere
> d from the worst succession of reliability failure
> s I've ever seen in 25+ years of playing GPx. But
> I think he'll come on strong in the second half of
> the season. Let's not forget he's doing ACE level
> with no restarts that's pretty challenging.
>
> Ted Meat aside, what other wheels are people succe
> ssfully using?


I have successfully played GP4 with a SimXperience Accuforce and a G27. There are a couple of hiccups (having to use joy2key to remap a couple of buttons) but it worked fine in the end. GP4's controller limit is 2, so I kept the G27 plugged in to use for the pedals, and the Accuforce just for steering obviously. I think I had to let my car be recovered rather than shift-q, because if I pressed that, the car would leave the pits automatically. But that was the only hitch. I can't really say whether it enhanced the driving especially, because GP4's FFB is I would guess very rudimentary, with little road surface information, the track surface being one polygon across. I would have liked more tyre slip information, but GP4 doesn't allow you to set separate FFB effects, it's just a universal gain slider. So when I cranked up the strength to get more feeling with my DD wheel it worked, but then if I went into the gravel it shook my entire apartment block and my neighbours nearly lynched me.
Any further questions just ask! I, like Jorge above, have a G27, and to be fair I don't think that in terms of speed a direct drive wheel makes you any quicker.

I am aware of some of the fantastic magic data discoveries having been here for nearly 20 years and 1000 posts, but I would absolutely love for there to be some kind of 'discovery' regarding the tyres' slip curves (like in GPL where it was modified and improved) or some kind of FFB enhancements.

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salvasirignano Wrote:
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>I like Jorge above, have a G27, and to be fair I don't think that in
> terms of speed a direct drive wheel makes you any
> quicker.

Exactly, you need to drive accurate to be fast, its not just having a good wheel.
Also in Gp4 the inn car setup makes a huge difference.


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Thank for the info and hi everyone.
I decided also to buy a steering wheel, because keyboard is frustrating on every level except rookie (and frankly said, I haven't tried much last 15 years). So my first option after googling is Logitech G29. Glad to read that it works properly.

uncle_dominique Wrote:
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> Thank for the info and hi everyone.
> I decided also to buy a steering wheel, because ke
> yboard is frustrating on every level except rookie
> (and frankly said, I haven't tried much last 15 ye
> ars). So my first option after googling is Logitec
> h G29. Glad to read that it works properly.

Glad your buying a wheel but remember its NOT like driving a real car.

You really need to get used to the wheel not only driving but combining with a inn car setup of your choice or editing one to your liking.
Its not like "i get the wheel and suddenly i am Vertappen, hamilton or who ever is your F1 idol".

In my case it took me 2 weeks to match my best hotlap time in the original Gp4 Montreal track
witch back then i had a 1m13 something.
Eventually in the following year and half i managed to go down to 1m11.178 witch back in the day it was 5th fastest laptime
ever recorded and uploaded to a hotlap website called hotlaps.de Gp4 for this track.

GP4 1.02 Hotlap for track 8: Montreal
Level: Ace - Frame rate: 18.0 FPS
Race type: Practise Session: Unlimited practise
Weather type: Custom Probability of rain: 0%
Car #14, driven by jcaranti (crt - ferrari)
Power: 855 BHP, weight 608 kg, fuel laps: 1.1
Lap time: 1:11.178 (split1 0:27.560, split2 0:52.237)
F1 Auto Brake : --- Clutch dev/mode: digital / switched
F2 Auto Gear : off
F3 Spin Recovery : --- Brake dev/mode: analog / analog
F4 Indestructible: --- lsz: 100%
F5 Best Line : --- Throttle dev/mode: analog / analog
F6 Best Gear : --- lsz: 100%
F7 Throttle Help : off * Steering dev/mode: analog / analog
F8 Steering Help : on lsz: 50%
SH percentage : 50% max lock: 20 rwcs: 50%

Here you can look at some basic settings for inside the game for the wheel, the rest is all you.

If you have questions i can help out


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Thanks salvasirignano, why are you using the Logitech pedals? Is there some kind of technical reason to use them?

Also I should clear up that the main reason I want a direct drive wheel is for iracing, however GPx is very important to me so its fundamental that whatever I buy must be compatible with GPx (I play GP2 (dosbox), GP3, GP3-2000, and GP4). Ive never owned a wheel so its impractical for me to buy 2 setups 1 for GPx 1 for iracing I really need to find something that's compatible with both. I'm sure Thrustmaster t300 is more than fine for GPx but I'd prefer something slightly better for iracing.

Keyboard control is really fun for GP2 and GP3 but kind of sucks in GP4, can't get any feeling from the car. I've never been able to enjoy GP4 that much with the keyboard despite the amazing AI. And my fingers feel like they're about to snap off after running 100% races with the keyboard. I consider GPx to be the best race Sim ever made, nothing else makes me feel like I'm competing in a real race. Geoff did a phenomenal job



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/13/2024 01:05PM by GP2tifoso28.

I already owned a g27 before getting the Accuforce, but as the Accuforce doesn't come with pedals or a h-shifter (just the wheel) I plugged in the G27 to use additionally for those.
It's two USB devices, which is the GP4 limit I believe.
I can't tell you for sure if there's a DD setup with pedals that will work perfectly, and be seen as two devices or less.

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salvasirignano Wrote:
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> I already owned a g27 before getting the Accuforce
> , but as the Accuforce doesn't come with pedals or
> a h-shifter (just the wheel) I plugged in the G27
> to use additionally for those.
> It's two USB devices, which is the GP4 limit I bel
> ieve.
> I can't tell you for sure if there's a DD setup wi
> th pedals that will work perfectly, and be seen as
> two devices or less.


So with the wheel and pedals connected you can't use the keyboard?

Have you ever tried it out with GP3 or dosbox? unfortunately just 1 Geoff Crammond Sim is not enough for me

Sorry, yes the keyboard still works. I mean two extra devices, like a wheel and separate pedals. The in game calibration allows you to calibrate a controller A and a controller B

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salvasirignano Wrote:
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> Sorry, yes the keyboard still works. I mean two ex
> tra devices, like a wheel and separate pedals. The
> in game calibration allows you to calibrate a cont
> roller A and a controller B


OK thanks mate, so in your experience the direct drive is not that much different from the Logitech in gp4?

GP2tifoso28 Wrote:
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> salvasirignano Wrote:
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> > Sorry, yes the keyboard still works. I mean two
> ex
> > tra devices, like a wheel and separate pedals. T
> he
> > in game calibration allows you to calibrate a co
> nt
> > roller A and a controller B
>
>
> OK thanks mate, so in your experience the direct d
> rive is not that much different from the Logitech
> in gp4?

Perhaps the extra strength of a direct drive wheel makes it more immersive, but because of how simple the FFB and road meshes are in GP4 it's not the best showcase for the benefits of direct drive, in my opinion.

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OK thanks for your opinion mate

Hope some other can chime in

Hey mate unsure if youve got it sorted or not but yes you can use moza I have a moza r9, simjack pedals and a different shifter. You can combine them all using joystick gremlin and still have force feedback. See my post here it says how to combine/setup.


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sharkticonnz Wrote:
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> Hey mate unsure if youve got it sorted or not but
> yes you can use moza I have a moza r9, simjack ped
> als and a different shifter. You can combine them
> all using joystick gremlin and still have force fe
> edback. See my post here it says how to combine/se
> tup.
>
>
> [www.grandprixgames.org]
> ,1170638#msg-1170638


Good news, can you have the pedals on a separate axis?

Also wondering if you happen to play GP3 and it also works there?

Did you ever have a lower spec wheel (Logitech or thrust master) before getting the moza?

This Joystick Gremlin tool looks really promising im surprised I've never seen it mentioned before

.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2024 12:21AM by sharkticonnz.

GP2tifoso28 Wrote:
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> sharkticonnz Wrote:
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> -----
> > Hey mate unsure if youve got it sorted or not bu
> t
> > yes you can use moza I have a moza r9, simjack p
> ed
> > als and a different shifter. You can combine the
> m
> > all using joystick gremlin and still have force
> fe
> > edback. See my post here it says how to combine/
> se
> > tup.
> >
> >
> > [www.grandprixgames.org]
> 1
> > ,1170638#msg-1170638
>
>
> Good news, can you have the pedals on a separate a
> xis?
>
> Also wondering if you happen to play GP3 and it al
> so works there?
>
> Did you ever have a lower spec wheel (Logitech or
> thrust master) before getting the moza?


Hey mate,

Yeah the pedals are separate axis

Never played gp3 sorry but it may work as it looks pretty similar-ish

And started off sim racing with a logitech g27. Moza's heaps better