Verstappen: Schumi cheated first title?!?!?!?
Posted by elpasho2005f1
This has been said so many times, and proven beyond all reasonable doubt so many times, that in a way it's strange we're even having this discussion about it. In other ways though it's understandable, given that these events happened in an era when information technology as we know it now didn't exist, and at a time when a lot of us(myself included) were too young to understand at the time WTF was going on behind the scenes, so we've gained what knowledge we have about it at a later stage, and like to discuss it now when an opportunity presents itself. Anyways...
It's been proved beyond all reasonable doubt, like I said, that MS and Benetton both won their respective titles in '94 by blatantly cheating. Just because the titles weren't taken off of them(and won't be now, since it's impossible for the FIA to go back to a previous season and change the outcomes of races, as was shown by Crashgate, another Briatore masterpiece) doesn't mean they were won legitimately. Throughout that season the attitude shown towards the sport by the Benetton team and even by Schumacher himself(Remember Silverstone) was an absolute disgrace, and they did enough between them to deserve being booted out of the Championship altogether. Looking back now I find it disturbing that Benetton weren't excluded from the '94 title standings, in light of their blatant disregard of the rules and regulations throughout that season, and the fact that their team management were arguably the most corrupt shower of @#$%& the sport has ever had to suffer.
Regarding the Verstappen situation, yeah, what he says makes perfect sense. It was always strange how Schumacher was always, as said already, miles ahead of his teammates. He was quicker, but not that much quicker. It also adds to the evidence from Senna, who always said he felt Schumacher's car was illegal, and might well have played a key role in "outing" Benetton during that season if he hadn't lost his life when he did.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/2011 02:33AM by EC83.
It's been proved beyond all reasonable doubt, like I said, that MS and Benetton both won their respective titles in '94 by blatantly cheating. Just because the titles weren't taken off of them(and won't be now, since it's impossible for the FIA to go back to a previous season and change the outcomes of races, as was shown by Crashgate, another Briatore masterpiece) doesn't mean they were won legitimately. Throughout that season the attitude shown towards the sport by the Benetton team and even by Schumacher himself(Remember Silverstone) was an absolute disgrace, and they did enough between them to deserve being booted out of the Championship altogether. Looking back now I find it disturbing that Benetton weren't excluded from the '94 title standings, in light of their blatant disregard of the rules and regulations throughout that season, and the fact that their team management were arguably the most corrupt shower of @#$%& the sport has ever had to suffer.
Regarding the Verstappen situation, yeah, what he says makes perfect sense. It was always strange how Schumacher was always, as said already, miles ahead of his teammates. He was quicker, but not that much quicker. It also adds to the evidence from Senna, who always said he felt Schumacher's car was illegal, and might well have played a key role in "outing" Benetton during that season if he hadn't lost his life when he did.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/2011 02:33AM by EC83.
Just noticed the first video davidm posted(the Aida start). The bit I find interesting: Skip to 6:15. There's a wonderful shot of Senna listening carefully to Schumacher's Benetton and to the other cars as they go past him and accelerate out of First Corner. The camera zooms in on him just as he does it.
Actually, JPM2002, the big flaw in all of your examples is that none of the other drivers were so directly involved. They could all easily plead ignorance, whereas Schumacher was involved directly - he had to be, due to the sequence required in the cockpit to activate LC.
Still, no-one's really blaming just him. The buck would ultimately have to stop with Briatore, and look what happened there.
An amusing aside, that I posted in a similar thread a couple of years ago - a B194 was offered for sale around that time, complete with 'original Ford HB engine, gearbox and traction control'.
Still, no-one's really blaming just him. The buck would ultimately have to stop with Briatore, and look what happened there.
An amusing aside, that I posted in a similar thread a couple of years ago - a B194 was offered for sale around that time, complete with 'original Ford HB engine, gearbox and traction control'.
Everyone given the opportunity will massage the rules at some point. It's the desire to win at almost any cost that fuels this kind of behaviour. Whilst we'd all like to see a squeaky clean hero, in reality there is no such thing. If they don’t cheat in the arena, they are probably beating their wives or swallowing amphetamines in some dark seedy place.
When it comes to Schumie the discussion will always be emotive, simply because people either hate him with a passion or love him just as equally.
The fact is, as has already been pointed out ... we know they, Benneton and all their confederates are guilty but so are a few other names that have been mentioned, proven or not. If there are ashes then it follows there must have been a fire, you don’t need to produce a box of matches to promote the fact.
In the case of Shumie he managed to attain an unsurpassable number of world Championships, all be it in some cases, under questionable circumstances. Now those among you who love him will think this an awesome achievement whilst others for whatever reason, ... jealousy, fair-play or just plain inquisitiveness; will undoubtedly look for holes and they are many but history will not change its mind neither will the book of records forget to record these events.
Remember it was through the same rule book that he so often bent out of shape, that he was crowned king of 7, F1 titles. However like most Kings his methods have not always, endeared him to his public so, until his achievements have been deposed the subject of Shumie and his road to fame, like it or not, will always remain mute.
So I guess until you hear those famous words ... 'The King is Dead ... Long live The King' His Legacy unlike his career will remain unscathed throughout all time.
" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."
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When it comes to Schumie the discussion will always be emotive, simply because people either hate him with a passion or love him just as equally.
The fact is, as has already been pointed out ... we know they, Benneton and all their confederates are guilty but so are a few other names that have been mentioned, proven or not. If there are ashes then it follows there must have been a fire, you don’t need to produce a box of matches to promote the fact.
In the case of Shumie he managed to attain an unsurpassable number of world Championships, all be it in some cases, under questionable circumstances. Now those among you who love him will think this an awesome achievement whilst others for whatever reason, ... jealousy, fair-play or just plain inquisitiveness; will undoubtedly look for holes and they are many but history will not change its mind neither will the book of records forget to record these events.
Remember it was through the same rule book that he so often bent out of shape, that he was crowned king of 7, F1 titles. However like most Kings his methods have not always, endeared him to his public so, until his achievements have been deposed the subject of Shumie and his road to fame, like it or not, will always remain mute.
So I guess until you hear those famous words ... 'The King is Dead ... Long live The King' His Legacy unlike his career will remain unscathed throughout all time.
" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."
Member of R.S.C.T Group
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