Ecclestone hoping for New York GP

apart from Indianapolis, there is another track in USA that it near to F1 standards?

Errrrm:

"It would be in front of Manhattan, in New Jersey, with the skyscrapers in the background, 15 minutes from the heart of New York to the circuit, it would be marvellous."

Sorry for being Geography specific, but a GP in New York whilst in New Jersey....is like saying if you can see the Yorkshire Pennines in the background whilst racing in Lancashire, we are racing in the Grand Prix of Yorkshire.....

Andy

Well they do that with the San Marino GP and the Luxembourg GP.

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Why does Bernie seem so interested in the backdrop of a GP, is he inadvertently admitting that the on track action is lacking?





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New York GP? No way! Bud idea of having F1 on oval is something I wish for long time, sometimes when I first time encounter oval (maybe some nascar race in early-mid '90s) and though: 'It will be amazing to see F1 cars speeding through this oval'. But there is is many interesting tracik in US and also in rest of the world but wishes are one thing reality is something completely different. ...to bad

F1 tyres (and F1 cars) cant run properly in oval tracks... look at indy 05, tyres didnt support the inclination of the oval curves.... And indy has a very low inclination... Fast-inclinated curves are impossible to use with this cars

Indy 2005 had nothing to do with the banking of the oval, but the way the surface of the oval was constructed. Goodyear had the same problems at Indy and Charlotte with a similar surface type. The only reason Bridgestone didn't have the problem is the sister company Firestone had been testing on the surface for months using IndyCars.

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emmm totaly forgot 05 tyres were made to last the whole race and only used that year :P

anyway, can F1 cars race in a track with a lot of inclination in the curves like daytona for saying something? how many degrees has indy in the curves? Daytona has 35 degrees or something like that

While I'm full of respect for the IRL and particularly NASCAR drivers who race on this super speedways, an F1 car would laugh at Daytona. They wouldn't get anywhere near the top speed where they'd be challenging the limits of anything other than the efficiency of the aero package and in the current cost-cutting climate the durability of the engine. I'd be far more worried about the drivers' lack of experience in such close racing and the ability of them to draft to help each other*. The likes of Kobayashi and Hamilton would scare me at any super speedway - I doubt they would have the patience, and frankly I'd be worried for their peers as a result.

* which would cause numerous arguments about drivers, teams and engine suppliers helping each other, which is often the case in NASCAR, but it's the norm there.

While I'd be interested in seeing 1 race there, just to see if it turns out how I'd expect it, I can't see how it would do anything other than make F1 worse in the longrun. There are racing series for ovals, but F1 isn't one of them now... in the 60s some dabbled in it... but not now.

I've said it already this season, and I'll keep on saying it... stop @#$%& about with F1 and stupid locations (current and future), and tweaking this and that with silly little aero restrictions... start getting drastic and go back to the formula which works.

Time for me to repeat my much-used requiem about circuits in remote locations...

I don't care WHERE a race is held, so long as you can TELL it's being held THERE. What we need are circuits with identity.

The Bahrain circuit layout could be anywhere in the World. The Singapore circuit layout could be in any number of cities. The Korean track, undoubtedly, could be anywhere in the World.

...But Spa is undeniably in the Belgian forests. Monza is undeniably a high-speed Italian circuit. America is all about big, brash and hyper-speed... and their race circuit should reflect that. The problem with Indianapolis was not its oval section, but its non-descript infield which could have been anywhere in the World.

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Super Speedways and F1 drivers would be a bad mixture, I reckon you'd need for them to have a year in Indy cars just to climatise before we let them loose, and of course the powers that be would only then let them race at 180mph.....would like to see it just for the benchmarking against America's premier race series....but I fear it'll never happen.

Andy

I couldn't give a damn about identity. I want the layout and surface to be challenging and for drivers to be punished if they go off. Personally, I couldn't give a damn about where in the world they are or how well they symbolise the local culture. To the arm-chair fan, little of that matters, only to those locals, and on the half of the calendar of which these new tracks feature, the locals don't care either. More turned out for the Valencia test than turned out for the Istanbul race last year, and it's closer to the western dominated sport than most countries. Malaysia are constantly complaining of not enough spectators coming through the gates. Melbourne, Silverstone, Spa, Monza and Suzuka (despite a lack of successful drivers) on the other hand have fanatical followers and have to limit spectators year after year. What do all of those tracks have in common? Challenges. No million mile wide straights. No tropical climates. Few tarmac run-offs without punishing the drivers for mistakes.

Singapore may not be carved in the style of the area (yet), but it's a unique circuit, and more importantly it's a challenge. In a sea of silky-smooth predictadromes, it stands out as one which the drivers both relish and approach with apprehension... it separates the top drivers from the also-rans. Massa's pole lap in 2008 was mesmerising. Alonso's driving the same (even if it was tarnished by circumstances). How many times can that be said of any of the other recent tracks?

Ironically, we're having this discussion during the Sepang weekend, which is probably one of the better recent tracks, at least in layout. It's relatively flowing, it's quite quick, there's the constant heat punishing both drivers and teams and especially since the later slot was introduced, the constant threat of a deluge. It's not a track I especially like, but it's far from the worst of the Tilke tracks around.