The Official 2010 Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted by EC83
davidm Wrote:
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> "Schumacher did the best he could, considering the
> long break. Praise to Massa, Hamilton and Rosberg.
> Button was right where I expected him to be ...
> now where. "
>
> First, I can't believe you are praising Hamilton,
> given some of your earlier comments
What's so wrong about giving Hamilton credit where credit is due? I can't stand Lewis as a person, but I'll admit he did the best job he could today, and really deserved his podium. People are entitled to not like a driver but praise them where praise is due, or vice versa.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/14/2010 09:18PM by EC83.
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> "Schumacher did the best he could, considering the
> long break. Praise to Massa, Hamilton and Rosberg.
> Button was right where I expected him to be ...
> now where. "
>
> First, I can't believe you are praising Hamilton,
> given some of your earlier comments
What's so wrong about giving Hamilton credit where credit is due? I can't stand Lewis as a person, but I'll admit he did the best job he could today, and really deserved his podium. People are entitled to not like a driver but praise them where praise is due, or vice versa.
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davidm Wrote:
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> "Firstly it's a sport regardless of your personal
> feelings ..... if you are a man you give credit
> where it's due. Hamilton did well .... doesn't
> mean that I will inviting him over for dinner.
> Second you telling me that a reigning world
> Champion was just behind an ex world Champion who
> has been out of sport since 2006, does nothing for
> Buttons credibility especially when his compatriot
> in the same car was a city block ahead ...... do
> you believe now?."
>
>
> Sorry old chum - your argument is spurious. There
> was no overtaking virtually evry car finished
> where it was on the grid. Your man is a 7 times
> champion who has told us all he's going to win an
> 8th. There is very little to suggest in the
> laptimes that Button would'nt have matched
> Hamilton just the cars can't overtake. I will
> grant you Button is no good at quali but the old
> veteran needs to sharpen up in this area.
L0l Spurious ......................? Indeed, a world Champion ship is not won in a day. How many years did it take Button to accidently win one? Say that again ... I can't hear and for the record Michael did not finish where he started he started seventh and finished sixth. The fact is, he finished where most people thought he would but it seems by your re-action Button did not., commiserations on that one.
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> "Firstly it's a sport regardless of your personal
> feelings ..... if you are a man you give credit
> where it's due. Hamilton did well .... doesn't
> mean that I will inviting him over for dinner.
> Second you telling me that a reigning world
> Champion was just behind an ex world Champion who
> has been out of sport since 2006, does nothing for
> Buttons credibility especially when his compatriot
> in the same car was a city block ahead ...... do
> you believe now?."
>
>
> Sorry old chum - your argument is spurious. There
> was no overtaking virtually evry car finished
> where it was on the grid. Your man is a 7 times
> champion who has told us all he's going to win an
> 8th. There is very little to suggest in the
> laptimes that Button would'nt have matched
> Hamilton just the cars can't overtake. I will
> grant you Button is no good at quali but the old
> veteran needs to sharpen up in this area.
L0l Spurious ......................? Indeed, a world Champion ship is not won in a day. How many years did it take Button to accidently win one? Say that again ... I can't hear and for the record Michael did not finish where he started he started seventh and finished sixth. The fact is, he finished where most people thought he would but it seems by your re-action Button did not., commiserations on that one.
" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."
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gav Wrote:
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> > Vettel had an engine problem btw so he is
> already one engine down.
>
>
>
>
> Yes but after looking at the car they have said
> its the engine.
>
> www.autosport.com
>
>
> The article you referenced even said there's
> nothing wrong with the engine. It was (apparently)
> just a dodgy spark plug... struggling to
> understand the horrible noises myself, but that's
> what it says.
I suspect it was creating an intermittent misfire - as usual, Martin Brundle seemed to spot it immediately, and even over the extremely loud drone of Legard
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> > Vettel had an engine problem btw so he is
> already one engine down.
>
>
>
>
> Yes but after looking at the car they have said
> its the engine.
>
> www.autosport.com
>
>
> The article you referenced even said there's
> nothing wrong with the engine. It was (apparently)
> just a dodgy spark plug... struggling to
> understand the horrible noises myself, but that's
> what it says.
I suspect it was creating an intermittent misfire - as usual, Martin Brundle seemed to spot it immediately, and even over the extremely loud drone of Legard
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Locke Cole Wrote:
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> Isaint and davidm...
> The content of your discussion is fine, but please
> conduct it like adults and not kids in a
> playground. Thanks muchly.
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> Isaint and davidm...
> The content of your discussion is fine, but please
> conduct it like adults and not kids in a
> playground. Thanks muchly.
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senninho Wrote:
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> gav Wrote:
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> -----
> > > Vettel had an engine problem btw so he is
> > already one engine down.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes but after looking at the car they have said
> > its the engine.
> >
> > www.autosport.com
> >
> >
> > The article you referenced even said there's
> > nothing wrong with the engine. It was
> (apparently)
> > just a dodgy spark plug... struggling to
> > understand the horrible noises myself, but
> that's
> > what it says.
>
> I suspect it was creating an intermittent misfire
> - as usual, Martin Brundle seemed to spot it
> immediately, and even over the extremely loud
> drone of Legard
It has been updated from when I first read it. When I 1st read it it was 3 lines long.
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> gav Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Vettel had an engine problem btw so he is
> > already one engine down.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes but after looking at the car they have said
> > its the engine.
> >
> > www.autosport.com
> >
> >
> > The article you referenced even said there's
> > nothing wrong with the engine. It was
> (apparently)
> > just a dodgy spark plug... struggling to
> > understand the horrible noises myself, but
> that's
> > what it says.
>
> I suspect it was creating an intermittent misfire
> - as usual, Martin Brundle seemed to spot it
> immediately, and even over the extremely loud
> drone of Legard
It has been updated from when I first read it. When I 1st read it it was 3 lines long.
Watch your language baby.
I agree with you it was a horrible start into the season and the refueling ban is stupid - the cars are so heavy that truck racing looks faster (as I said before.)
However, I don't think that no one can beat Alonso. If Vettel's car hadn't let him down Alonso would have never had a chance to win the race. So if the Red Bull doesn't break down Vettel will be the one to beat.
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
I agree with you it was a horrible start into the season and the refueling ban is stupid - the cars are so heavy that truck racing looks faster (as I said before.)
However, I don't think that no one can beat Alonso. If Vettel's car hadn't let him down Alonso would have never had a chance to win the race. So if the Red Bull doesn't break down Vettel will be the one to beat.
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
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REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
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Shorray Vadey. I think I was in the process of re-editing it as you were so I clicked submit and re-edited your edit. It's my birthday weekend and I've been getting excitable
With so many people all over the place complaining that the racing is now extremely dull, one of the reasons being that overtaking was much more difficult, I wonder if this will be a blessing in disguise?
Think about it. Maybe this will kick-start FOTA and the FIA into introducing the proper changes to the cars that we've been screaming out for for so long. Less reliance on aerodynamics, more emphasis on mechanical grip? Even if this doesn't happen, the outcry is so large that something is bound to be done to improve F1. I can see this happening especially as Jean Todt is now the president of the FIA.
That said, we haven't even given F1 2010 a good chance yet. Every season has it's bad races, let's leave it a bit longer before we judge the new regulations.
On a positive note, I think watching the onboards of the cars fuelled up at the beginning of the race was amazing! Oversteer aplenty, with some real driver control. I especially liked the new fast corner that was turn 6.
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Think about it. Maybe this will kick-start FOTA and the FIA into introducing the proper changes to the cars that we've been screaming out for for so long. Less reliance on aerodynamics, more emphasis on mechanical grip? Even if this doesn't happen, the outcry is so large that something is bound to be done to improve F1. I can see this happening especially as Jean Todt is now the president of the FIA.
That said, we haven't even given F1 2010 a good chance yet. Every season has it's bad races, let's leave it a bit longer before we judge the new regulations.
On a positive note, I think watching the onboards of the cars fuelled up at the beginning of the race was amazing! Oversteer aplenty, with some real driver control. I especially liked the new fast corner that was turn 6.
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i also think that australia will be another story ... not because i am a hopeless optimist , but because bahrain is just .................. well c'mooon when was the last time we had cars overtaking here , last year vettel i think was stucked behing trulli for ages. 2008 and 2007 werent really different with the ferraris dominating .
So on circuits where the variety of the fast , meaningless corners (typcal for Tilke) isnt so big , we will have great great races. and i agree with Eddie jordan that when rain comes into play it will get even more exciting. malaysia and australia will be very interesting. .. then spain and monaco will bring a little bit less emotions again
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I am almost sure about it.
Another thing that could provide more entertainment is M..S getting to his old driving (mid and end 90's) and putting some stunning drives . We'll see but for sure this will be an entertaining season .
AND for everybody who didnt like the race i will say that even one of the greatest seasons so far (2006) began with a chase between michael and alonso here, in Bahrain, and no on e could overtake the other
GIVE 2010 A CHANCE
GOOD NIGHT
So on circuits where the variety of the fast , meaningless corners (typcal for Tilke) isnt so big , we will have great great races. and i agree with Eddie jordan that when rain comes into play it will get even more exciting. malaysia and australia will be very interesting. .. then spain and monaco will bring a little bit less emotions again
.I am almost sure about it.
Another thing that could provide more entertainment is M..S getting to his old driving (mid and end 90's) and putting some stunning drives . We'll see but for sure this will be an entertaining season .
AND for everybody who didnt like the race i will say that even one of the greatest seasons so far (2006) began with a chase between michael and alonso here, in Bahrain, and no on e could overtake the other
GIVE 2010 A CHANCE
GOOD NIGHT
mitadumapaga Wrote:
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> GIVE 2010 A CHANCE
Well said.
I think this season will change, develop and evolve over its course more than any other in recent years. Because of the unknowns caused by the new rules, because several teams have clearly under-developed cars at the moment, and because of the length of the season too. Whatever happens, this race has only been the tip of the iceberg.
And Australia traditionally has much better races than Bahrain does.
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> GIVE 2010 A CHANCE
Well said.
I think this season will change, develop and evolve over its course more than any other in recent years. Because of the unknowns caused by the new rules, because several teams have clearly under-developed cars at the moment, and because of the length of the season too. Whatever happens, this race has only been the tip of the iceberg.
And Australia traditionally has much better races than Bahrain does.
The root of all evil rather than the tip of the iceberg. Who wants to see unwieldly cars crawling around the track in single file like a sedated version of mother goose and her goslings?
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
As a race to watch from grandstand, I enjoyed every moment of it. But today F1 is too good, its too efficient. Even with differences in drivers/cars everything is so closley matched. This is why overtaking doesnt happen. As gav says, we need large differences. However, like I said, as a race it was good for me because I for the first time I could visually see Lewis closing Massa, Alonso visually closing Vettel, Button visually closing Schumacher, and Webber visually dropping back (on purpose?) then next lap be on Buttons gearbox. It was fascinating from that stand point. And right from Friday, watching the RedBull and Ferrari and Kubica into turn 1 was amazing. On TV you could never see or hear (more important) the differences. If anyones been to a race you will know. Listening and watching both Ferraris and both RB's and Kubica being on throttle waaaay before anyone else was amazing. It didnt stop at that. Practice, qualifying, and in the race, Vettel was amazing underbraking. Visually it was as obvious as night and day, and thats what has amazed me this weekend.
I watched the race on TV after, and yes borefest, but for me, watching little differences and how they change through a race was amazing. Just the sight of Lewis being little bits closer to Massa one lap, behind the next was amazing. Watching Lewis underbraking against Nico.
But yes, on the race not great. Button didnt show as well as he could or should have. He will improve no doubt but not a great first race IMO. I do think he was closer than I thought at the first race though, he was at least the equal of Heikki but difference is Button has scope to improve. Towards the end of the first stint you could see he had used his tyres better than a few in front, then moment Kubica posted fastest lap i knew as you did that that was that. 1 stop, hard tyres, race done. Lewis on the other hand was fantastic IMO. Had he not been stuck behind Nico I strong believe he would have been giving Massa some grief. Brilliant race from him, and showing Mclaren are not as bad as the Saturday made them appear.
If in Aus Vettel and Webber do not finish 1 - 2 I will be stunned. That car looked planted without trying. Ferrari will push hard but that RedBull was mind-blowing to watch.
Also, glad to see Nico beat Schumacher. I think Schumacher will improve slightly but people realyl need to take Nico serious! He is by far one of the most under-rated drivers. IMO Schumacher will only beat him in a handfull of races. As long as Nico started with the upper hand, I believe he will finish with it. Taking Vettels amazing pole lap.. I do not believe Schumacher can now do that. I believe he can race as hard and as quick as before, but when it comes to an all out lap, I do not think he will be as good as before. Vettels lap was amazing and one of the best qualifying laps ive seen in a while IMO.
On Ferrari, it was as expected. Alonso was never going to trounce Massa, but he did beat him well and truely. It will be very close between them and amazing to watch!
Bring on Aus. Always actioned packed. I hope hope hope hope for a Button/Lewis/Kobayashi (:p) win but could so easily see Webber take it. And who would be disapointed at that???
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
I watched the race on TV after, and yes borefest, but for me, watching little differences and how they change through a race was amazing. Just the sight of Lewis being little bits closer to Massa one lap, behind the next was amazing. Watching Lewis underbraking against Nico.
But yes, on the race not great. Button didnt show as well as he could or should have. He will improve no doubt but not a great first race IMO. I do think he was closer than I thought at the first race though, he was at least the equal of Heikki but difference is Button has scope to improve. Towards the end of the first stint you could see he had used his tyres better than a few in front, then moment Kubica posted fastest lap i knew as you did that that was that. 1 stop, hard tyres, race done. Lewis on the other hand was fantastic IMO. Had he not been stuck behind Nico I strong believe he would have been giving Massa some grief. Brilliant race from him, and showing Mclaren are not as bad as the Saturday made them appear.
If in Aus Vettel and Webber do not finish 1 - 2 I will be stunned. That car looked planted without trying. Ferrari will push hard but that RedBull was mind-blowing to watch.
Also, glad to see Nico beat Schumacher. I think Schumacher will improve slightly but people realyl need to take Nico serious! He is by far one of the most under-rated drivers. IMO Schumacher will only beat him in a handfull of races. As long as Nico started with the upper hand, I believe he will finish with it. Taking Vettels amazing pole lap.. I do not believe Schumacher can now do that. I believe he can race as hard and as quick as before, but when it comes to an all out lap, I do not think he will be as good as before. Vettels lap was amazing and one of the best qualifying laps ive seen in a while IMO.
On Ferrari, it was as expected. Alonso was never going to trounce Massa, but he did beat him well and truely. It will be very close between them and amazing to watch!
Bring on Aus. Always actioned packed. I hope hope hope hope for a Button/Lewis/Kobayashi (:p) win but could so easily see Webber take it. And who would be disapointed at that???
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
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