The Official 2010 Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted by EC83
At least the back of the field will provide entertainment!
Good to see racey overtaking in the midfield and rear.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Good to see racey overtaking in the midfield and rear.
this race confirms that massa will became the new Barrichello...
poor vettel,as always alonso was very lucky
schumacher did a good race(keeping in count that he didn't race for 3 years)
the new layout is awful,hoping in a better race in melbourne...
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poor vettel,as always alonso was very lucky
schumacher did a good race(keeping in count that he didn't race for 3 years)
the new layout is awful,hoping in a better race in melbourne...
My GPGSL Career
Bigbrother Wrote:
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> i predicted it massa on the dirt side wasn't good,
> he only lost a place to alonso but at the end it
> cost him the race cause the ferrari's had the same
> peace.
The fact that he lost the place wasn't really to do with the start though, more him being a bit too conservative going into Turn 1 and allowing Alonso some room.
Anyway, the race didn't live up to our expectations it seems, but its hard to judge on one race. Races at Bahrain have often been boring, regardless of the rules.
X (@ed24f1)
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> i predicted it massa on the dirt side wasn't good,
> he only lost a place to alonso but at the end it
> cost him the race cause the ferrari's had the same
> peace.
The fact that he lost the place wasn't really to do with the start though, more him being a bit too conservative going into Turn 1 and allowing Alonso some room.
Anyway, the race didn't live up to our expectations it seems, but its hard to judge on one race. Races at Bahrain have often been boring, regardless of the rules.
X (@ed24f1)
senna9194 Schreef:
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> this race confirms that massa will became the new
> Barrichello...
> poor vettel,as always alonso was very lucky
> schumacher did a good race(keeping in count that
> he didn't race for 3 years)
>
> the new layout is awful,hoping in a better race in
> melbourne...
Massa had to save fuel from 30 laps to go or something, I think he had to save the engine as well, so the gap to Alonso isn't realistic and I expect Massa to make it Alonso very hard actually.
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> this race confirms that massa will became the new
> Barrichello...
> poor vettel,as always alonso was very lucky
> schumacher did a good race(keeping in count that
> he didn't race for 3 years)
>
> the new layout is awful,hoping in a better race in
> melbourne...
Massa had to save fuel from 30 laps to go or something, I think he had to save the engine as well, so the gap to Alonso isn't realistic and I expect Massa to make it Alonso very hard actually.
Well done Fernando! An excellent race, and the duck is back!
He and Massa were evenly matched, yes, but he did seem to always have an edge on Massa when it mattered. Looks like they'll push each other hard this season though, which can only be good.
Regarding the circuit, I think people are being a bit harsh regarding the new section. It makes the lap long, yes, but it also adds good variety to the lap with a sequence of corners which are at least different from the rest of the lap, tighter and more precise, with interesting gradient on the track too on that section, and some challenging bumps thrown in. I thought it had more positives than negatives, and was a welcome addition TBH.
He and Massa were evenly matched, yes, but he did seem to always have an edge on Massa when it mattered. Looks like they'll push each other hard this season though, which can only be good.
Regarding the circuit, I think people are being a bit harsh regarding the new section. It makes the lap long, yes, but it also adds good variety to the lap with a sequence of corners which are at least different from the rest of the lap, tighter and more precise, with interesting gradient on the track too on that section, and some challenging bumps thrown in. I thought it had more positives than negatives, and was a welcome addition TBH.
Hopefully they bring back Melbourne back as the season opener.
Its surely worth having the race at a slightly more inconvenient timeslot for the European audiences if it means there will be much better racing
X (@ed24f1)
Its surely worth having the race at a slightly more inconvenient timeslot for the European audiences if it means there will be much better racing
X (@ed24f1)
Race could have been worse, but for me too, definitely hoping for a much better race at Melbourne.
Happy for Lotus, I think they've got a lot to be happy with there. Great shame for Vettel - I think though that it gives the indication that Ferrari are not utterly dominant; Vettel probably could have won if not for the exhaust and Webber probably would have been up in the mix if not for the mistake in quali. On Bahrain performance alone however it seems Mclaren and Mercedes are not quite on their pace however.
Pity that Renault's race turned out the way it did, I think Kubica would have scored points if not for the first lap incident (as would have Sutil) and Petrov looked quite handy until his retirement, which from a personal view I was very happy to see (him looking handy, not retiring that is...)
Pity about Chandhok, I'm still giving him more time to show his worth, I think his excuse was more than justified though in the greater scheme just a poor reflection on the entire weekend really - although I do believe someone else should have/would have told him there was a bump there...
Also good that it seems that the sidebar will be there in general, it appears that just someone forgot to turn it on during Quali...
BUT it seems now that pit-stops will be timed on the entire duration of the car's stay in the pit lane, with the actual length of the stop only mentioned at the end, which just seems stupid to me. Well, maybe in particular because with the removal of refuelling, now we have the wild anticipation of pit-stops lasting under 3 seconds, the graphics are going to make them seem longer than ever. That and there's not always time to cover the driver leaving the pits and thus giving us his actual stop time at that point. Sure, tell us the entire length of the time taking in the pit lane, that is useful, but I'd still like to know the time the actual stop takes in particular...
What else can I rant about...?
Schumacher bemoaning the lack of fuel stops destroying the chances of overtaking...
Well, there was plenty of overtaking outside the top 8...
For me though - well I do agree, we can't draw conclusions from one race alone - but while in principle I am only too delighted that refuelling is gone, I hated it in 94 and it never won me over - there is a problem and I hate to say it but a lot of it's got to do with the current atmosphere in Formula One, which is, in my mind: "Don't push too hard, it's far too expensive." Everything has to last - the last thing you do with that frame of mind is to drive the bejesus out of it. So now there's the huge points gap, enticing drivers to drive harder, except the thought always remains that "oh no, if I push too hard, a couple of races from now my car may explode and therefore ruin the following race as well, and what with the points being so far apart..."
(Me of course talking with the knowledge of exactly how a F1 driver/engineer's mind works, but, still...)
I mean the alternative is everyone spends just as much as they want on everything, teams start changing engines after every session and before too long I'll be toasting 12 cars pitching up for the championship decider with 8 stating that they'll *probably* be back the next year (unless we change the fundamentals of the sport so that its not to do with the cost of winning being so high but the cost of losing being so high)
So, as DC said, Bridgestone have a tyre that will last most of the race, so its not worth a team's time to change twice, because, strange as it may appear, that strategy would be slower than having just one change of tyre and then rather miserably dragging it out until the end of the race - the original intention it seems being "ah yes, as the drivers jostle for position in the closing stages, some drivers/cars will be kinder on their tyres and we'll see them challenge those who have been more aggressive, whose tyres will be buggered - ergo by the end closer racing" except now it seems everyone just conserves their tyres, which in turn will not disintegrate on them. So in Bahrain nothing really happened.
The thought occurs though that Bridgestone has years and years of experience that allows them to make really good F1 tyres - next year who ever replaces them (Avon maybe, at the rate that tyre companies DON'T want to supply F1!?) won't quite have that experience, therefore the tyre situation may be more dynamic.
Maybe we should have a mandatory 2 tyre changes during a race, or task Bridgestone or whoever to supply the teams with less durable tyres? Therefore drivers can be more aggressive with their tyres knowing they don't have to make them last a ridiculously long distance?
Ultimately though of course you've got the aerodynamics not helping and of course the fact that pace wise they're so close together - as others have said before overtaking can only happen if one car is sufficiently faster than the other, and if one team is sufficiently faster than everyone else, they'll qualify at the front and stay at the front, for the entire weekend, and then we'll be complaining again. Otherwise it's like a lot of us despair at trucks taking an epoch to overtake each other on the motorway all because one truck is travelling at roughly one mile an hour faster than the other - well there we go. And there's barely a straight long enough in F1 that would allow for that scenario, especially when they cannot follow close enough out of the previous corner.
God that was a ramble.
Hooray for Massa!
/edit - yeah, a lot of this post has been said already - I was writing it for a long time
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/14/2010 05:57PM by zulu_85.
Happy for Lotus, I think they've got a lot to be happy with there. Great shame for Vettel - I think though that it gives the indication that Ferrari are not utterly dominant; Vettel probably could have won if not for the exhaust and Webber probably would have been up in the mix if not for the mistake in quali. On Bahrain performance alone however it seems Mclaren and Mercedes are not quite on their pace however.
Pity that Renault's race turned out the way it did, I think Kubica would have scored points if not for the first lap incident (as would have Sutil) and Petrov looked quite handy until his retirement, which from a personal view I was very happy to see (him looking handy, not retiring that is...)
Pity about Chandhok, I'm still giving him more time to show his worth, I think his excuse was more than justified though in the greater scheme just a poor reflection on the entire weekend really - although I do believe someone else should have/would have told him there was a bump there...
Also good that it seems that the sidebar will be there in general, it appears that just someone forgot to turn it on during Quali...
BUT it seems now that pit-stops will be timed on the entire duration of the car's stay in the pit lane, with the actual length of the stop only mentioned at the end, which just seems stupid to me. Well, maybe in particular because with the removal of refuelling, now we have the wild anticipation of pit-stops lasting under 3 seconds, the graphics are going to make them seem longer than ever. That and there's not always time to cover the driver leaving the pits and thus giving us his actual stop time at that point. Sure, tell us the entire length of the time taking in the pit lane, that is useful, but I'd still like to know the time the actual stop takes in particular...
What else can I rant about...?
Schumacher bemoaning the lack of fuel stops destroying the chances of overtaking...
Well, there was plenty of overtaking outside the top 8...
For me though - well I do agree, we can't draw conclusions from one race alone - but while in principle I am only too delighted that refuelling is gone, I hated it in 94 and it never won me over - there is a problem and I hate to say it but a lot of it's got to do with the current atmosphere in Formula One, which is, in my mind: "Don't push too hard, it's far too expensive." Everything has to last - the last thing you do with that frame of mind is to drive the bejesus out of it. So now there's the huge points gap, enticing drivers to drive harder, except the thought always remains that "oh no, if I push too hard, a couple of races from now my car may explode and therefore ruin the following race as well, and what with the points being so far apart..."
(Me of course talking with the knowledge of exactly how a F1 driver/engineer's mind works, but, still...)
I mean the alternative is everyone spends just as much as they want on everything, teams start changing engines after every session and before too long I'll be toasting 12 cars pitching up for the championship decider with 8 stating that they'll *probably* be back the next year (unless we change the fundamentals of the sport so that its not to do with the cost of winning being so high but the cost of losing being so high)
So, as DC said, Bridgestone have a tyre that will last most of the race, so its not worth a team's time to change twice, because, strange as it may appear, that strategy would be slower than having just one change of tyre and then rather miserably dragging it out until the end of the race - the original intention it seems being "ah yes, as the drivers jostle for position in the closing stages, some drivers/cars will be kinder on their tyres and we'll see them challenge those who have been more aggressive, whose tyres will be buggered - ergo by the end closer racing" except now it seems everyone just conserves their tyres, which in turn will not disintegrate on them. So in Bahrain nothing really happened.
The thought occurs though that Bridgestone has years and years of experience that allows them to make really good F1 tyres - next year who ever replaces them (Avon maybe, at the rate that tyre companies DON'T want to supply F1!?) won't quite have that experience, therefore the tyre situation may be more dynamic.
Maybe we should have a mandatory 2 tyre changes during a race, or task Bridgestone or whoever to supply the teams with less durable tyres? Therefore drivers can be more aggressive with their tyres knowing they don't have to make them last a ridiculously long distance?
Ultimately though of course you've got the aerodynamics not helping and of course the fact that pace wise they're so close together - as others have said before overtaking can only happen if one car is sufficiently faster than the other, and if one team is sufficiently faster than everyone else, they'll qualify at the front and stay at the front, for the entire weekend, and then we'll be complaining again. Otherwise it's like a lot of us despair at trucks taking an epoch to overtake each other on the motorway all because one truck is travelling at roughly one mile an hour faster than the other - well there we go. And there's barely a straight long enough in F1 that would allow for that scenario, especially when they cannot follow close enough out of the previous corner.
God that was a ramble.
Hooray for Massa!
/edit - yeah, a lot of this post has been said already - I was writing it for a long time
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/14/2010 05:57PM by zulu_85.
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