Possible New Tyre Rules

Posted by y2cwr2005 
Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 26, 2010 11:08PM
Posted by: y2cwr2005
[www.autosport.com]

Formula 1 teams have agreed to introduce an extra strategic element to races this season by forcing leading drivers to start races on the same tyres that they qualified on, AUTOSPORT can reveal.


I'm on the fence with F1 at the moment and I might fall the other way, what's your opinion on this?

Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 26, 2010 11:36PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
will make for some good starts on shot tyres. also, if it saves money, i don't see the problem.
you're gonna see drivers caning it in quali and killing their tyres and sliding down.

so the driver who gets the best balance out of speed and kindness to tyres will get pole and still retain an advantage in the race.
it'll pan out fine, nout to worry 'bout.
Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 12:51AM
Posted by: rapid_f1
its artificial. let the best cars/best drivers fight for the win equally.

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Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 01:29AM
Posted by: y2cwr2005
rapid_f1 Wrote:
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> its artificial. let the best cars/best drivers
> fight for the win equally.
This Exactly.

If it turns out that the championship or important races are lost because Driver A qualified worse than Driver B and gained from doing so, it already cheapens the win to me.

Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 12:18PM
Posted by: chet
Why?

Nothing matters but the race. Why should a qualifying result cheapen a race result?

The general belief was that the teams would start on the harder of the two compounds, then at the end of the race use the softer when its more favourable (generally).

However now, a driver can qualify on the softer, get a persumably better grid spot and work strategy from there by doing an short first stint. If it opens strategy options I like it.






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Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 12:55PM
Posted by: marwood82
yeah i think the new tyre rule does give the possibility to spice things up a little bit.

the one change i'm glad got blocked was the mandatory number of pit stops rule as it would have almost completely removed any need for tyre management.

i think the battle between those who can make their tyres last and those that can't is going to be one of the things to watch this year.
Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 01:00PM
Posted by: Nickv
IMO they should get rid of using the both compounds rule, that would add more strategy than this. Everybody is on nearly the same strategy every race anyway. If you're stuck with one compound, you'll have a greater variance of strategies I think.
Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 01:12PM
Posted by: EC83
Nickv Wrote:
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> IMO they should get rid of using the both
> compounds rule, that would add more strategy than
> this. Everybody is on nearly the same strategy
> every race anyway. If you're stuck with one
> compound, you'll have a greater variance of
> strategies I think.

Agreed. I'd love to see drivers have the option of going through races non-stop.
When drivers had to stop anyway for fuel, the two-compound rule was fair enough. But now it restricts strategy and will make races seem unnecessarily complicated.



Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 01:53PM
Posted by: salvasirignano
I think they should go back to the 97 tyre rules, where you choose one of the compounds,hard or soft, after the practice sessions, and you have to qualify and race on that.
Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 02:23PM
Posted by: EC83
Ooh yeah, 1997. When they made the tyres that much softer than they'd been in previous years, and we got some juicy tyre dramas as a result.
That kind of thing has been missing far too much in recent years.

Yeah, one compound for everyone each race would be a much better idea.



Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 02:48PM
Posted by: SchueyFan
salvasirignano Wrote:
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> I think they should go back to the 97 tyre rules,
> where you choose one of the compounds,hard or
> soft, after the practice sessions, and you have to
> qualify and race on that.

yes, that sounds like a good option.

If Bridgestone won't do it in 2010, let's hope whoever replaces them comes in with some good ideas like this (assuming we get a control tyre again)





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Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 03:16PM
Posted by: Cyberacer
y2cwr2005 Wrote:
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> rapid_f1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > its artificial. let the best cars/best drivers
> > fight for the win equally.
> This Exactly.
>
> If it turns out that the championship or important
> races are lost because Driver A qualified worse
> than Driver B and gained from doing so, it already
> cheapens the win to me.

mates,
+1 from me.

Tyre compound selection should be absolutely free.
Each driver to choose the compound that fits better his driving style and his abilities to handle braking, tempratures and tyre wear.
No need for "both compounds" rule.
Instead of mixing up things and force the drivers to struggle at some part of every race, let them choose what tyres make each one faster and more competitive.
And more competiveness for all, is the key to boost the show, on a clear and fare basis.

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Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 03:46PM
Posted by: gav
I don't mind strategy options, but F1 is turning into a bit of a gimmick.

At least with fuel strategy it was because teams thought that was the fastest way of getting from the green to the chequer. When the Q3 qualifying load was introduced it was similar to this. Why? What will it actually bring? All the teams, once they've figured out the optimum strategy after a couple of races, will be doing exactly the same.

I just can't see how it will add anything to the sport, unless you have a Melbourne style tyre drop off early in race, but Bridgestone tweaked the compound options to avoid that.
Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 06:23PM
Posted by: chet
Gav, important word you mentioned.

Optimum.

When is the optimum optimum? When all things are normal (i guess would be the easiest way of saying it). How often does this happen in F1? What influence could a saftey car have?

It gives say a team not performing that weekend a possible grid boost compared to the others. Though perhaps its not the most favourable race strategy it could put the driver into a better fighting posistion.






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Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 06:36PM
Posted by: gav
Yes Chet, but that's fuel, where you've a much great range for potential. Here you've got sod all range - you either go soft or hard, and how many laps you choose to do in Q3. Hardly much scope for an 'unoptimal' strategy.

I just can't see how this would add anything after the first few races. Everyone will end up doing exactly the same.
Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 27, 2010 10:51PM
Posted by: y2cwr2005
Even more pointlessly, it applies to the whole of the top 10. Sort of does nothing to add excitement to the end of the grid fighting for wins, because it applies to all of them.

Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 28, 2010 12:39AM
Posted by: chet
gav Wrote:
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> Yes Chet, but that's fuel, where you've a much
> great range for potential. Here you've got sod all
> range - you either go soft or hard, and how many
> laps you choose to do in Q3. Hardly much scope for
> an 'unoptimal' strategy.
>
> I just can't see how this would add anything after
> the first few races. Everyone will end up doing
> exactly the same.

Probably true but imo if a team does feel that they cant, say make the top 4 on merit, i generally think they could gamble the soft, if only to get grid posistion.

Monaco aswell is the obvious interesting one.

Grid posistion or endurance?






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Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 28, 2010 12:57AM
Posted by: gin
wow most of you are such killjoys, are you secretly fans of James Allen? because all I see when somebody tries to improve the entertainment value of F1, because lets face it, without rain it is a borefest, you try to shoot it down.

Re: Possible New Tyre Rules
Date: January 30, 2010 06:24PM
Posted by: Locke Cole
F1 isn't solely about entertainment. If we wanted a "more entertaining" series, we'd all be clamouring for a random "flood track" button on the pit wall, or paintball snipers on the sidelines trying to hit the drivers' visors.

F1 is a business masquerading as a sport. Whether you prefer it as a business or a sport, the 'entertainment factor' should be LOW on the agenda of either.



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