Just when you thought he couldn't get any more senile...
Posted by Nickv
Basically Locke means F1 is not like, say, the Darts World Championship.
The Dart whatnow?
Exactly.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
The Dart whatnow?
Exactly.
DaveEllis Wrote:
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I could have a 45 minute discussion on plates if I wanted, doesn't mean it's an epic topic.
LMAO!
And as for Darts, you could well be right. I never did understand why Football is so big either.
I also heard an arguent how F1 is an expensive sport to follow. Well, considering the last Pompey game where I am at uni costs around £35 quid a ticket, then you get away games that people travel to (usually trains, as there is a lack of parking) can make some games easily £100 to attend.
And you have the season ticket holders and whatnot. Merchandise etc. A football shirt can cost £50+ with names on it.
I think F1 is actually good value and not THAT expensive as a fan. For what you get out of a weekend of F1 @ Silverstone @ the £120 weekend pass, plus the shared campsite, travel expenses etc. Heck, even driving everyday if you live close enough, park n ride = you get a lot of bang for buck versus a 90 min football game and shuffled in and out of the stadium as fast as possible.
I am surprised F1 isn't more popular.
Maybe it is just the fact Football is very open to support, whereas F1 is much more secretive. I think modern F1 is more about business, and thus the old days when the paddock was opened, and I got to sit in Hill's 94 race winning Williams before Saturdays practice session says a lot.
I remember being at Mansellmania @ Silverstone in 1992 and how people really got behind their drivers' and teams. You had people with homemade t-shirts, massive foam car hats so much stuff that you don't have as much of today.
Now, it is so corporate and commercialised. You'd probably get sued for making your own t-shirt or banner. Teams don't want the fans lingering, ok maybe for security threats these days, but also, with the whole closing the garages and covering car parts. Where is the spirit of the sport? It is far too business-like and protective in the name of the company.
Maybe that is what is lost. If I remember rightly, wasn't F1 pretty popular back in the early 90's?
To go full circle though, we did have Mansell and Hill back then, and so it made the news. And now we have Hamilton and Button in the news, so the media interest and popularity could just be due to national fanboyism.
Like Wimbledon - I don't think Ariel has upped their advertising now Henman is retired. And Wimbledon suddenly has a drop in promotion to us as consumers. Sainsburys no longer sell those tennis ball biscuits etc. See my point? If you don't have something in it, there won't be much effort in bringing it to attention. Just like America's self indulgence, maybe we are all like it to an extent?
We only promote something if we have something to be proud of. Euro 2008 flew past without batting an eyelid over here. Pubs had it on, but they weren't heaving. Why so much? England weren't in it.
Right now, F1 is about to take a big turn I think. We have two British Champs, in a British team, and a classic England vs Germany battle. I fully expect the British media to capitalise on this and turn it into the age-old and cliche Hun spectacle.
Sadly, it looks like that is what is needed to spark British interest in this sport - old and forgotten rivalry. But hey, least it is something!
I just hope that the interested doesn't die off as soon as Alonso wipes the floor with Mclaren this year, and suddenly Hamilton and Button are old news.
Who am I to kid? It will happen. Pfft...
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
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I could have a 45 minute discussion on plates if I wanted, doesn't mean it's an epic topic.
LMAO!
And as for Darts, you could well be right. I never did understand why Football is so big either.
I also heard an arguent how F1 is an expensive sport to follow. Well, considering the last Pompey game where I am at uni costs around £35 quid a ticket, then you get away games that people travel to (usually trains, as there is a lack of parking) can make some games easily £100 to attend.
And you have the season ticket holders and whatnot. Merchandise etc. A football shirt can cost £50+ with names on it.
I think F1 is actually good value and not THAT expensive as a fan. For what you get out of a weekend of F1 @ Silverstone @ the £120 weekend pass, plus the shared campsite, travel expenses etc. Heck, even driving everyday if you live close enough, park n ride = you get a lot of bang for buck versus a 90 min football game and shuffled in and out of the stadium as fast as possible.
I am surprised F1 isn't more popular.
Maybe it is just the fact Football is very open to support, whereas F1 is much more secretive. I think modern F1 is more about business, and thus the old days when the paddock was opened, and I got to sit in Hill's 94 race winning Williams before Saturdays practice session says a lot.
I remember being at Mansellmania @ Silverstone in 1992 and how people really got behind their drivers' and teams. You had people with homemade t-shirts, massive foam car hats so much stuff that you don't have as much of today.
Now, it is so corporate and commercialised. You'd probably get sued for making your own t-shirt or banner. Teams don't want the fans lingering, ok maybe for security threats these days, but also, with the whole closing the garages and covering car parts. Where is the spirit of the sport? It is far too business-like and protective in the name of the company.
Maybe that is what is lost. If I remember rightly, wasn't F1 pretty popular back in the early 90's?
To go full circle though, we did have Mansell and Hill back then, and so it made the news. And now we have Hamilton and Button in the news, so the media interest and popularity could just be due to national fanboyism.
Like Wimbledon - I don't think Ariel has upped their advertising now Henman is retired. And Wimbledon suddenly has a drop in promotion to us as consumers. Sainsburys no longer sell those tennis ball biscuits etc. See my point? If you don't have something in it, there won't be much effort in bringing it to attention. Just like America's self indulgence, maybe we are all like it to an extent?
We only promote something if we have something to be proud of. Euro 2008 flew past without batting an eyelid over here. Pubs had it on, but they weren't heaving. Why so much? England weren't in it.
Right now, F1 is about to take a big turn I think. We have two British Champs, in a British team, and a classic England vs Germany battle. I fully expect the British media to capitalise on this and turn it into the age-old and cliche Hun spectacle.
Sadly, it looks like that is what is needed to spark British interest in this sport - old and forgotten rivalry. But hey, least it is something!
I just hope that the interested doesn't die off as soon as Alonso wipes the floor with Mclaren this year, and suddenly Hamilton and Button are old news.
Who am I to kid? It will happen. Pfft...
It's an interesting one, because in terms of off-track politics, we've had some pretty crazy goings-on in the last few years(Spygate, Crashgate, the FOTA series threat) while the amount and quality of the racing on-track has stayed pretty low, as said already. Sure, the on-track racing has improved to an extent over the last couple of years, but considering it had basically hit rock bottom, it had to start improving again at some point and thus an improvement per se doesn't necessarily mean it's back to being good yet.
Hopefully in 2010 the lack of refuelling will maintain the upward trend in the quality of the on-track action - the "chess game" element that refuelling stops brought to F1 hit the amount of overtaking moves hard right from the start.
Locke Cole Wrote:
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> We have Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher,
> Barrichello, Button, Webber to name but a few, all
> big characters.
I'd leave Hamilton off that list myself. I find him completely manufactured with a one-dimensional personality, and I think he's about as false as it gets too. The fact he's had Nicole Scherzinger of all people for a girlfriend for the last 18 months or so sums that up pretty nicely IMO.
Hopefully in 2010 the lack of refuelling will maintain the upward trend in the quality of the on-track action - the "chess game" element that refuelling stops brought to F1 hit the amount of overtaking moves hard right from the start.
Locke Cole Wrote:
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> We have Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher,
> Barrichello, Button, Webber to name but a few, all
> big characters.
I'd leave Hamilton off that list myself. I find him completely manufactured with a one-dimensional personality, and I think he's about as false as it gets too. The fact he's had Nicole Scherzinger of all people for a girlfriend for the last 18 months or so sums that up pretty nicely IMO.
Whats his girlfriend go to do with that?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
the fact she's a pointless nobody with the personality of a yoghurt...
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I think that reflects badly on the Yogurt.
LMAO!
She's pretty much the same as 99% of celebrities in that respect (a c*nt), and I would imagine half the woman on the grid.
But what I meant is why Nicole in particular?
The fact he's had Nicole Scherzinger of all people for a girlfriend
tbh, i'd never heard of her or the pussycat dolls until Lewis. I could understand that statement if it were say Paris Hilton, but as far as I see whats made gave Nicole the bad image is the constant tv images of her otherwise she's not done/said anything. She might look a fool on TV when something dramatic happens (who doesnt?!), but hey you've all heard team-radio! cringeworthy!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
But what I meant is why Nicole in particular?
The fact he's had Nicole Scherzinger of all people for a girlfriend
tbh, i'd never heard of her or the pussycat dolls until Lewis. I could understand that statement if it were say Paris Hilton, but as far as I see whats made gave Nicole the bad image is the constant tv images of her otherwise she's not done/said anything. She might look a fool on TV when something dramatic happens (who doesnt?!), but hey you've all heard team-radio! cringeworthy!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Dave is spot on. Chet, I was using Nicole as an example because Lewis's going out with her reflects on what kind of person he is. We're attracted to potential love interests because we find them desirable on all levels - looks initially, then personality and character, and characteristics which you both have in common as well. Now, while I will admit that Nicole has good looks, her personality(or, rather, conspicuous lack of) leaves a great deal to be desired. You don't remember the grid interviews she did with Martin Brundle(Monaco 2008, for example, or Barcelona 2009) or her reaction at Interlagos after Lewis won the title? Painful. (You seem to think Nicole is in a different class to Paris Hilton, but I'd disagree with that. Think people just tend to have a higher opinion of Nicole because she's famous for being a pop star, whereas Paris is famous for being famous. In reality Nicole has a lot of the same annoying characteristics Paris has, people just don't bash her for them so much.) She's the polar opposite of, say, Connie Montoya, who is clearly both intelligent and a charismatic character, and who was a great addition to the paddock in her own right while Juan Pablo was in F1.
So, given that Lewis has been going out with a celeb like Nicole, it has to reflect badly on his own image. That was all I was saying.
Nickv Wrote:
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> I think no refuelling might add to the tactics.
> With the stop times becoming a lot lower, you
> could have a greater variance with stop
> strategies.
Absolutely. I can't wait to see that one unfold - the number of stops versus the the drivers pacing themselves over a race and trying to go through with the minimum number of stops, or even without stopping at all. The ability to get the balance between keeping a good pace up and not wearing the tyres out too quickly will make a massive difference, and will really help show us who the best drivers currently are. I'm expecting this to be one of Schumacher's biggest strengths, and Alonso could turn out to be exceptionally good at it too.
So, given that Lewis has been going out with a celeb like Nicole, it has to reflect badly on his own image. That was all I was saying.
Nickv Wrote:
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> I think no refuelling might add to the tactics.
> With the stop times becoming a lot lower, you
> could have a greater variance with stop
> strategies.
Absolutely. I can't wait to see that one unfold - the number of stops versus the the drivers pacing themselves over a race and trying to go through with the minimum number of stops, or even without stopping at all. The ability to get the balance between keeping a good pace up and not wearing the tyres out too quickly will make a massive difference, and will really help show us who the best drivers currently are. I'm expecting this to be one of Schumacher's biggest strengths, and Alonso could turn out to be exceptionally good at it too.
Yep, the last strange strategy that worked I remember was Schumacher´s 4 stops in Magny-Cours 2004
The last time a driver went through an entire race without stopping was Mika Salo at Monaco in 1997, IIRC.
EC83 Wrote:
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> The last time a driver went through an entire race
> without stopping was Mika Salo at Monaco in 1997,
> IIRC.
Yes, but that still can't happen in 2010 because of the two compounds of tyres they must use...
Hopefully they don't make the drivers pit twice, as it would be great to see some drivers try and get through on only one pitstop.
X (@ed24f1)
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> The last time a driver went through an entire race
> without stopping was Mika Salo at Monaco in 1997,
> IIRC.
Yes, but that still can't happen in 2010 because of the two compounds of tyres they must use...
Hopefully they don't make the drivers pit twice, as it would be great to see some drivers try and get through on only one pitstop.
X (@ed24f1)
Frantic Wrote:
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> Yep, the last strange strategy that worked I
> remember was Schumacher´s 4 stops in Magny-Cours
> 2004
Alonso, Singapore, 2008.
You won't get many strategies stranger than that.
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> Yep, the last strange strategy that worked I
> remember was Schumacher´s 4 stops in Magny-Cours
> 2004
Alonso, Singapore, 2008.
You won't get many strategies stranger than that.
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