New point system ruled out?

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Excellent.

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Boo!

yeah, boo at FIA for not even reading their own rules

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have to say that is such a badly written news story.... I hope the new system stays

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But if fewer than 13 teams ultimately turn up in Bahrain next March, F1 could face a situation where nearly half of the entire grid is awarded points at the end of races.

Like, say...8 out of 20 cars?

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lol, very true dave. I hope the new system stays to be honest just as long as they fix that damn 7th place! The sport is going through some of the biggest changes it has seen for a while recently with the influx of new teams, no refuelling in the race, slicks, aero rules, manufacturers dropping out, new race winners etc. I feel as if a new era has been ushered in over the past year of two and there has never been a better time for such a sweeping change in the scoring system!

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I hope it stays, I think I am now confident all teams will make it to Melbourne. Still sceptical about USF1, but from a few recent murmourings I do feel they can make it.

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Hope it doesn't get scrapped, awarding the points back to 10th place is a great idea in this era of reliability. But I do hope they modify it a bit so the numbers of points awarded to the higher places are less extreme.
Discussing a subject like this for only 2 minutes at a meeting is pretty ridiculous TBH.

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Hopefully they at least remove the flaws from this system (in particularly the changing increments), but also consider reducing it to 15,12,9,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 which has the same desired result with a less dramatic change.

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which has the same desired result with a less dramatic change.

That doesn't really have the same result, because the proportions are different.

The entire point of the new system is that the proportions remain the same, whilst more cars get points. They haven't really adjusted the points battle at all that way, just accounted for more cars.

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Why are people so afraid of change? Yes, it's going up from 10 to 25 points. So what? You'll get used to it. As Dave said, it even keeps the exact current ratios between the points and the 25 is the lowest amount of points which is able to do that, unless you start using half points. Any other system would change the ratios and probably make the championship less close than we have seen in the last years.

The same applies for the new aero rules. Everybody was nearly dying when BMW rolled out their car. Look now, nearly everybody likes the cars.

Yeah, that's the essential point that many (myself included at first) missed. It was easy to see 25 points for a win and think OMFG WTF?! But as has been pointed out the ratio of advantage over the following positions has not really changed, or only very little. Thus it isn't going to change the fabric of a championship.

I initially thought that a potential 25 point loss through a DNF would be massive. But the ratios ensure that it is not different than simply losing the 10.

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> That doesn't really have the same result, because
> the proportions are different.

For 1st, 2nd and 3rd (the only positions where proportions really matter), it is the same ratio, just the old system multiplied by 1.5 (instead of 2.5 with the 2010 system). So it works out the same.

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For 1st, 2nd and 3rd (the only positions where proportions really matter), it is the same ratio, just the old system multiplied by 1.5 (instead of 2.5 with the 2010 system). So it works out the same.

It only works out for 1/2/3, you said that yourself. It doesn't work out for the rest. So if you are keen to keep the proportions the same, why not do it properly and do them all, and not ignore everyone who isn't fighting for the championship? If we're going to ignore them, why not just cut out points from 4th downwards?

I can't believe we're even having this discussion in all honesty.

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Nickv Wrote:
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> Why are people so afraid of change? Yes, it's
> going up from 10 to 25 points. So what? You'll get
> used to it. As Dave said, it even keeps the exact
> current ratios between the points and the 25 is
> the lowest amount of points which is able to do
> that, unless you start using half points. Any
> other system would change the ratios and probably
> make the championship less close than we have seen
> in the last years.
>
> The same applies for the new aero rules. Everybody
> was nearly dying when BMW rolled out their car.
> Look now, nearly everybody likes the cars.

Correction: If that was the sole purpose of this exercise, then 20-16-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1 would have made more sense to be honest. But using that system, you could easily change 2nd to 15 points, which would emphasise a win, which would be 2nd best for Bernie in terms of making winning more important.

Also, on another point concerning the very good point Dave made concerning the 8 out of 20 cars getting points anyway - which is 40% of the participating grid - when it used to be points for up to 6th, it is worth remembering that normally only between 12 and 15 cars usually finished, which gave you a spread of 40% - at least - and 50% - at most - of cars finishing that got points. In the previous(top 8) scenario, you could always bargain for 16 to 20 cars to finish, which also gave you a ratio of 40% to 50% of finishers scoring.

So if it's 10 out of 26 with 22 to 26 finishers at most races, that will give you a 38% - 45% Spread, which is actually worse than it was in the past. So I feel this is nothing more than fair.