'Lotus Are the Envy Of Other Teams'
Posted by HakkF1
Fernandes has been talking almost as much bullshit as Eddie Jordan. In some ways I'm reminded of when some wag at BAR (very possibly Craig Pollock) came right out and said they'd win their first race.
I'm as about impressed with Fake Lotus as I was with BAR.
I'm as about impressed with Fake Lotus as I was with BAR.
"I was having a drink with Michael last night and he said how bitterly disappointed he was that he wasn't considered for the Lotus drive. "
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[www.gp4central.com] <----GP4 CentralWe'll see if that's what they're saying a few races into the season. If anything we'll probably find that Trulli and Kovalinen wishing they ARE AT another team.
Kovalainen could have possibly returned to Renault... although with their future uncertain that option probably sunk. But yes I do see Trulli and Kovalainen both desperately clinging to Fake Lotus as a f1 lifeline.
Timo Glock I view slightly differently... he reportedly had a few realistic option from a couple of more established teams... so his move to Manor was slightly more surprising. But then Nick Wirth is a handy tech guy to have on the team and certianly gives me more confidence than Gascoyne.
Timo Glock I view slightly differently... he reportedly had a few realistic option from a couple of more established teams... so his move to Manor was slightly more surprising. But then Nick Wirth is a handy tech guy to have on the team and certianly gives me more confidence than Gascoyne.
Fake Lotus?
Sniffs of Bruno there... your old enough to at least call them by their name whether you dislike them or not.
I think for a new team to bag two experienced racers is quite a coup! But I would stop the shouting about two race-winners. Heikki had a championship winning car and didnt do alot with it. This year it was was asif his car was the same at Abu Dhabi as it was in Australia. He never seemed to have a made move up the grid. Jarno is a good choice, but I think I would have decided on another driver for the 2nd seat. Heikki is experienced but I think Jarno will show him the way next year.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Sniffs of Bruno there... your old enough to at least call them by their name whether you dislike them or not.
I think for a new team to bag two experienced racers is quite a coup! But I would stop the shouting about two race-winners. Heikki had a championship winning car and didnt do alot with it. This year it was was asif his car was the same at Abu Dhabi as it was in Australia. He never seemed to have a made move up the grid. Jarno is a good choice, but I think I would have decided on another driver for the 2nd seat. Heikki is experienced but I think Jarno will show him the way next year.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
No listen, this has little to do with liking them or not. If they do well... then good luck to them. But in no way shape or form are they Lotus.
Please don't compare me with Bruno :P
Please don't compare me with Bruno :P
I'd have to agree with Chet on the fact that it is a bit of a coup for Lotus to bag Heiki and Trulli. But they're by no means top drivers, possibly two of the most inconsistent drivers on the grid.
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your old enough to at least call them by their name whether you dislike them or not.
your old enough to at least call them by their name whether you dislike them or not.
So... 1Malaysia?
//edit: how the @#$%& do you mess up a quote?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2009 07:02PM by gav.
chet Wrote:
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> Fake Lotus?
>
> Sniffs of Bruno there... your old enough to at
> least call them by their name whether you dislike
> them or not.
Nothing wrong with telling it as it is. This Lotus team has nothing in common with the previous Lotus team except the name, and now Fernandes is trying hard to dig them a hole before they've even started by talking way above their station in an apparent attempt to delude us that they'll immediately be like the old Lotus.
So Jim's "Fake Lotus" is actually an epic description IMO. I'd call them "Tesco Value Lotus" myself, which is kind of along the same lines. :P
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> Fake Lotus?
>
> Sniffs of Bruno there... your old enough to at
> least call them by their name whether you dislike
> them or not.
Nothing wrong with telling it as it is. This Lotus team has nothing in common with the previous Lotus team except the name, and now Fernandes is trying hard to dig them a hole before they've even started by talking way above their station in an apparent attempt to delude us that they'll immediately be like the old Lotus.
So Jim's "Fake Lotus" is actually an epic description IMO. I'd call them "Tesco Value Lotus" myself, which is kind of along the same lines. :P
Nick Wirth a sound technical mind?? This is the man who designed the 1995 SimTek.
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EC83 Wrote:
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> chet Wrote:
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> > Fake Lotus?
> >
> > Sniffs of Bruno there... your old enough to at
> > least call them by their name whether you
> dislike
> > them or not.
>
> Nothing wrong with telling it as it is. This Lotus
> team has nothing in common with the previous Lotus
> team except the name, and now Fernandes is trying
> hard to dig them a hole before they've even
> started by talking way above their station in an
> apparent attempt to delude us that they'll
> immediately be like the old Lotus.
> So Jim's "Fake Lotus" is actually an epic
> description IMO. I'd call them "Tesco Value Lotus"
> myself, which is kind of along the same lines. :P
They are utilizing a name which they persume will help with marketing...
I guess the same as Force India... that has no doubt attracted a larger audience in India than what a Mallaya F1 would have for example.
I simply see it as no better than Bruno calling massa #5 because he refused to call him his real name. If your going to refer to a team by "fake Lotus" or "Tesco Value Lotus" what is the difference between that and Bruno calling Massa #5, for which he got a shite loada grief of everyone, myself included.
Thats not to say I agree with the choice of name.. I mean I would much prefer 1Malaysia F1 team, however I will call them what they are.
edit - Locke, theres no question Nick being technically minded. The fact that he and his team got the Acura with the larger front tyres to work as well as it did was quite something. The only thing I really doubt is still his decision to even see a windtunnel, not even for validation. I am curious to know his methods for aero-mapping in CFD, as that seems to be what a large portion of windtunnel time is used for. We dont need to get in that again though do we. But my opinion has not changed, ive spent the psat 3 months learning 3 CFD programs and its amazing how even the smallest input error could change the end result so drastically. That's said he and his team have been doing it for at least 15 years I imagine.
edit again - forgot to say, looking at the pics of Glock gettign into the car, well tub, it does look quite narrow and they have the redbull style humps! im sure of all the newcomers it will be the most exciting to look at.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2009 09:45PM by chet.
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> chet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fake Lotus?
> >
> > Sniffs of Bruno there... your old enough to at
> > least call them by their name whether you
> dislike
> > them or not.
>
> Nothing wrong with telling it as it is. This Lotus
> team has nothing in common with the previous Lotus
> team except the name, and now Fernandes is trying
> hard to dig them a hole before they've even
> started by talking way above their station in an
> apparent attempt to delude us that they'll
> immediately be like the old Lotus.
> So Jim's "Fake Lotus" is actually an epic
> description IMO. I'd call them "Tesco Value Lotus"
> myself, which is kind of along the same lines. :P
They are utilizing a name which they persume will help with marketing...
I guess the same as Force India... that has no doubt attracted a larger audience in India than what a Mallaya F1 would have for example.
I simply see it as no better than Bruno calling massa #5 because he refused to call him his real name. If your going to refer to a team by "fake Lotus" or "Tesco Value Lotus" what is the difference between that and Bruno calling Massa #5, for which he got a shite loada grief of everyone, myself included.
Thats not to say I agree with the choice of name.. I mean I would much prefer 1Malaysia F1 team, however I will call them what they are.
edit - Locke, theres no question Nick being technically minded. The fact that he and his team got the Acura with the larger front tyres to work as well as it did was quite something. The only thing I really doubt is still his decision to even see a windtunnel, not even for validation. I am curious to know his methods for aero-mapping in CFD, as that seems to be what a large portion of windtunnel time is used for. We dont need to get in that again though do we. But my opinion has not changed, ive spent the psat 3 months learning 3 CFD programs and its amazing how even the smallest input error could change the end result so drastically. That's said he and his team have been doing it for at least 15 years I imagine.
edit again - forgot to say, looking at the pics of Glock gettign into the car, well tub, it does look quite narrow and they have the redbull style humps! im sure of all the newcomers it will be the most exciting to look at.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2009 09:45PM by chet.
I think the Bruno comparison is still pushing it. Remember Bruno seemed to carry out personal vendettas because for some inexplicable reason he thought who ever it is he didn't like were a disgrace to him and/or his country.
His logic for thinking something rubbish was effectively "Because I hate them".
I haven't indicated like or dislike for Fak... ah wait you don't like that... erm Litespeed... ah no... Malaysia... oh sod it Lotus! You happy now? :P
I just find it distasteful that there seems to be a trend for hijacking a brand and then trying to play it down. It's like Bruno Senna... ofcourse he surname isn't really Senna... he changed it to Senna, more than likely in an effort to take advantage of it's motorsport heritage and markitbilty.... then he has the gull to go and say "I want to make my own name in F1" I mean for crying out loud... why change in the first place then?
And I find Lotus to be very much like that, and I would feel the same if that team who secured the rights to use the Brabham brand had made it to F1 as well.
Just imagine if you will that your favourite football club goes bankrupt and ceases to exist. And then several years down the line, some clever cloggs in another country decides to use the name and brand... How would you feel about that... How on earth is that team going to have the essence of the original?
Fallen brands are far better off left in memory.
His logic for thinking something rubbish was effectively "Because I hate them".
I haven't indicated like or dislike for Fak... ah wait you don't like that... erm Litespeed... ah no... Malaysia... oh sod it Lotus! You happy now? :P
I just find it distasteful that there seems to be a trend for hijacking a brand and then trying to play it down. It's like Bruno Senna... ofcourse he surname isn't really Senna... he changed it to Senna, more than likely in an effort to take advantage of it's motorsport heritage and markitbilty.... then he has the gull to go and say "I want to make my own name in F1" I mean for crying out loud... why change in the first place then?
And I find Lotus to be very much like that, and I would feel the same if that team who secured the rights to use the Brabham brand had made it to F1 as well.
Just imagine if you will that your favourite football club goes bankrupt and ceases to exist. And then several years down the line, some clever cloggs in another country decides to use the name and brand... How would you feel about that... How on earth is that team going to have the essence of the original?
Fallen brands are far better off left in memory.
Fernandes and Branson now have a bet going...
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