Peter Sauber buys back his team
Posted by Team CLR
gav Wrote:
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> Locke Cole Wrote:
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> > That doesn't sound particularly conclusive to
> me.
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> It is now. They've been given Toyota's spot.
W00t! Awesome.
Welcome back to another private team and classic name. :D
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2009 04:56AM by EC83.
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> Locke Cole Wrote:
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> > That doesn't sound particularly conclusive to
> me.
>
> It is now. They've been given Toyota's spot.
W00t! Awesome.
Welcome back to another private team and classic name. :D
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2009 04:56AM by EC83.
gav Wrote:
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> Locke Cole Wrote:
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> > That doesn't sound particularly conclusive to
> me.
>
> It is now. They've been given Toyota's spot.
Phew.
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> Locke Cole Wrote:
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> > That doesn't sound particularly conclusive to
> me.
>
> It is now. They've been given Toyota's spot.
Phew.
Kobayashi confirmed as one of the Sauber drivers.
Mh, I was hoping for something a little more solid than Kobayashi, sure he might be fast, but when the pressure is on and he needs to turn out performances, he's an unknown quantity.
Meh... arguably you could say the same about Senna and di Grassi as well.
Team CLR Schreef:
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> Mh, I was hoping for something a little more solid
> than Kobayashi, sure he might be fast, but when
> the pressure is on and he needs to turn out
> performances, he's an unknown quantity.
If every team would pick a solid, known quantity, then we would never have never seen either Kimi or Massa debut in 2001 and 2002, sometimes as a teamowner you have to take gambles, many lack it, Peter Sauber luckily doesn't
Sure it can go bad, but he was the best of the fill in drivers of 2009, so surely he can't be that bad? If he goes bad, he will get replaced, if it goes good, Peter might be able to sell him for more $$$ to a topteam.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 11:18AM by Iceman-Kimi.
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> Mh, I was hoping for something a little more solid
> than Kobayashi, sure he might be fast, but when
> the pressure is on and he needs to turn out
> performances, he's an unknown quantity.
If every team would pick a solid, known quantity, then we would never have never seen either Kimi or Massa debut in 2001 and 2002, sometimes as a teamowner you have to take gambles, many lack it, Peter Sauber luckily doesn't
Sure it can go bad, but he was the best of the fill in drivers of 2009, so surely he can't be that bad? If he goes bad, he will get replaced, if it goes good, Peter might be able to sell him for more $$$ to a topteam.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 11:18AM by Iceman-Kimi.
Frentzen was a Mercedes protege who was parachuted into the team.
Massa was a Ferrari protege who raced at Maranello's behest in return for supplying engines.
Kubica made his debut for BMW, when Peter Sauber no longer had a say over driver contracts.
So Raikkonen is really the only "impact" driver to have started with Sauber, and to be honest, at the time he joined F1 if he hadn't got a ride with Sauber then someone else would have given him his debut anyway.
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Massa was a Ferrari protege who raced at Maranello's behest in return for supplying engines.
Kubica made his debut for BMW, when Peter Sauber no longer had a say over driver contracts.
So Raikkonen is really the only "impact" driver to have started with Sauber, and to be honest, at the time he joined F1 if he hadn't got a ride with Sauber then someone else would have given him his debut anyway.
Yeah, you could argue that Minardi launched the careers of more top drivers than Sauber.
Good to see Kobayashi confirmed with a drive for 2010 though - and Sauber is a good team for a driver who's shown promise like he has to prove himself over a season.
gav Wrote:
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> You don't get more solid and dependable than
> Heidfeld - he's so solid and unspectacular that
> that's not necessarily a compliment.
Sweet description.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 02:42PM by EC83.
Good to see Kobayashi confirmed with a drive for 2010 though - and Sauber is a good team for a driver who's shown promise like he has to prove himself over a season.
gav Wrote:
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> You don't get more solid and dependable than
> Heidfeld - he's so solid and unspectacular that
> that's not necessarily a compliment.
Sweet description.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 02:42PM by EC83.
OK Cole - sorry for being so un-informed. Good points.
> gav Wrote:
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> > You don't get more solid and dependable than
> > Heidfeld - he's so solid and unspectacular that
> > that's not necessarily a compliment.
>
> Sweet description.
Agreed!! Perfectly summed up I think!
edit - I am glad Kobayashi has a good seat. I reckon this team could do some good things next year.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 02:56PM by chet.
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> > You don't get more solid and dependable than
> > Heidfeld - he's so solid and unspectacular that
> > that's not necessarily a compliment.
>
> Sweet description.
Agreed!! Perfectly summed up I think!
edit - I am glad Kobayashi has a good seat. I reckon this team could do some good things next year.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 02:56PM by chet.
Good to see Kobayashi get a full chance, it would have been a pity for him not to have had a full season to prove his worth.
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X (@ed24f1)
Team CLR Wrote:
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> Mh, I was hoping for something a little more solid
> than Kobayashi, sure he might be fast, but when
> the pressure is on and he needs to turn out
> performances, he's an unknown quantity.
In his two races of the year, Kobyashi showed far more promise than Grosjean/Buemi/Algusuari did over the entire duration of their season races.
Sure, he is an unknown quantity, but out of two races he has a 100% record of solidity. And when you see its the first two races ever of his in F1, that makes it more impressive. He may be a two hit wonder, we won't know unless he is given more chances. BUT. Duelling Button showed maturity, and if the fact he could have wiped and destroyed a world championship runner in his debut but didn't do a thing wrong, if that doesn't show maturity and pressure, then I don't know what is, this early in his career.
I will be rooting for this guy in 2010, along with Rosberg.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
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> Mh, I was hoping for something a little more solid
> than Kobayashi, sure he might be fast, but when
> the pressure is on and he needs to turn out
> performances, he's an unknown quantity.
In his two races of the year, Kobyashi showed far more promise than Grosjean/Buemi/Algusuari did over the entire duration of their season races.
Sure, he is an unknown quantity, but out of two races he has a 100% record of solidity. And when you see its the first two races ever of his in F1, that makes it more impressive. He may be a two hit wonder, we won't know unless he is given more chances. BUT. Duelling Button showed maturity, and if the fact he could have wiped and destroyed a world championship runner in his debut but didn't do a thing wrong, if that doesn't show maturity and pressure, then I don't know what is, this early in his career.
I will be rooting for this guy in 2010, along with Rosberg.
danm Wrote:
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> Team CLR Wrote:
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> > Mh, I was hoping for something a little more
> solid
> > than Kobayashi, sure he might be fast, but when
> > the pressure is on and he needs to turn out
> > performances, he's an unknown quantity.
>
>
> In his two races of the year, Kobyashi showed far
> more promise than Grosjean/Buemi/Algusuari did
> over the entire duration of their season races.
>
> Sure, he is an unknown quantity, but out of two
> races he has a 100% record of solidity. And when
> you see its the first two races ever of his in F1,
> that makes it more impressive. He may be a two hit
> wonder, we won't know unless he is given more
> chances. BUT. Duelling Button showed maturity, and
> if the fact he could have wiped and destroyed a
> world championship runner in his debut but didn't
> do a thing wrong, if that doesn't show maturity
> and pressure, then I don't know what is, this
> early in his career.
>
> I will be rooting for this guy in 2010, along with
> Rosberg.
And further to that, as Peter Sauber very astutely said, he proved at Abu Dhabi that he can implement a strategy, which included saving tyres on a heavy fuel load, an important skill in 2010
X (@ed24f1)
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> Team CLR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mh, I was hoping for something a little more
> solid
> > than Kobayashi, sure he might be fast, but when
> > the pressure is on and he needs to turn out
> > performances, he's an unknown quantity.
>
>
> In his two races of the year, Kobyashi showed far
> more promise than Grosjean/Buemi/Algusuari did
> over the entire duration of their season races.
>
> Sure, he is an unknown quantity, but out of two
> races he has a 100% record of solidity. And when
> you see its the first two races ever of his in F1,
> that makes it more impressive. He may be a two hit
> wonder, we won't know unless he is given more
> chances. BUT. Duelling Button showed maturity, and
> if the fact he could have wiped and destroyed a
> world championship runner in his debut but didn't
> do a thing wrong, if that doesn't show maturity
> and pressure, then I don't know what is, this
> early in his career.
>
> I will be rooting for this guy in 2010, along with
> Rosberg.
And further to that, as Peter Sauber very astutely said, he proved at Abu Dhabi that he can implement a strategy, which included saving tyres on a heavy fuel load, an important skill in 2010
X (@ed24f1)
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