Two-year suspended ban for Renault over Singapore conspiracy

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I wonder why this ban is suspended until end of 2011 season. I guess Renault will be leaving at the end of 2010 now.

Well they couldn't really do a lot to the team. The main protagonists are gone, and there's nothing wrong with what the rest of them did. IMHO it was silly to punish them at all. It's like saying, "We WANT to punish Flav and Pat, but we can't, so we're gonna take it out on you because you were nearest at the time."

What have Renault, as a company, actually done wrong?

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Nothing. They've done nothing wrong, I feel for Renault. They should not have been punished in that way, but Flavio and Symonds got what they deserved from this, although Piquet didn't get anything and I am deeply angered by that.

Piquet should have gotten something. It's like Brundle said. He's in his 20's. He's a man.

He should have taken a punishment like a man, but instead he hid behind lawyers and deal making because he's not worth much. I'm glad he's gone from F1. It's a lot better without him.

Im very suprised what FIA did to renault. As for me the case of 2007 mclaren-ferrari saga is worse than this. nevertheless they punished small team, because this 2 teams are valuable to their profit not just like renault from my point of view. And also they make piquet spoiled even more! with his statement that is truthfull on outside but lies on inside!


#$%^&* piquet! I hope you won't return on formula 1, or if you return BIG teams will just kick you out!

renault suspended! its getting clear where alonso wants to drive then... forza ferrari!

Nothing. They've done nothing wrong, I feel for Renault.

The FIA sporting regulations state that the entrant is responsible for the actions of its employees. So Renault actually got off extremely lightly. The sporting regs could have been much more strictly applied, and Renault could have faced a much more massive penalty had that happened.

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That is true, but in this case where all poeple involved came forward would you agree with a more harsh punishment?? It was proved only 3 people knew so why punish 600 people?

Poeple make the obvious Mclaren comparison but that was totally different.

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chet Wrote:
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> That is true, but in this case where all poeple
> involved came forward would you agree with a more
> harsh punishment?? It was proved only 3 people
> knew so why punish 600 people?
>
> Poeple make the obvious Mclaren comparison but
> that was totally different.


i dont know....they should have at least disqualified the team from the 2008 championship like it has happened to teams who broke the rules in the past. It wouldnt matter now of course, but at least it wouldnt look as lenient as the current "punishment". FIA probably knows that Renault would have left anyway in the next two years so its advantageous to F1 to keep big names in the sport as long as possible in the meantime.

Also, those who said that Piquet got off litely, do you really think that? I mean look at his reputation, he was slow at Renault (for various, reasons, but still) he cheated (just like Hamilton did in Australia) and he is a snitch, but only when things dont go to plan for him. If he wasnt fired by Renault, none of this would have happened as he would have kept his mouth shut. Do you really think many people would want to be associated with him professionally?





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Gin, it's tricky, because all it takes is a some money from Piquet snr, and bam, junior has an F1 seat, that I'm sure we'll all agree, he doesn't deserve.

The FIA sporting regulations state that the entrant is responsible for the actions of its employees. So Renault actually got off extremely lightly. The sporting regs could have been much more strictly applied, and Renault could have faced a much more massive penalty had that happened.

Exactly. Teams are responsible for the people they employ and the power structures of their teams. It's called Corporate Accountability. You can't just wash your hands of what your employees do.

They should have been thrown out on their ears, IMHO.

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> i dont know....they should have at least
> disqualified the team from the 2008 championship
> like it has happened to teams who broke the rules
> in the past. It wouldnt matter now of course, but
> at least it wouldnt look as lenient as the current
> "punishment". FIA probably knows that Renault
> would have left anyway in the next two years so
> its advantageous to F1 to keep big names in the
> sport as long as possible in the meantime.

The results are now fixed, so no DQ from 08.

However, I do think WCC points taken away from this year would have been quote fair too. I just cant agree that a stupid fat 'slob', a very inteligent person () and a stupid spoilt little racing driver would be responsible for losing the jobs of many. They are low in WCC anyway, so it would be a fair, but at the same time quite hard.

Its like someone at your workplace steals something, they come forward and confess, adn yet everyone gets sacked so to make an example. It wouldn't be right. If that were to happen with Renault I would expect Flav,Pat and Piquet to recieve 600 issues of being sued from each Renault employee ! This Gracia fellow is moaning about Flav not being able to earn a living, what about the 600 people?

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DaveEllis Wrote:
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> The FIA sporting regulations state that the
> entrant is responsible for the actions of its
> employees. So Renault actually got off extremely
> lightly. The sporting regs could have been much
> more strictly applied, and Renault could have
> faced a much more massive penalty had that
> happened.

Guess it's true what they say: First rule of management, it's all your fault.

I just feel for the people who worked and knew nothing about it, they are the ones that are going to suffer from this because of the stupidity of three people. Piquet will probably be in F1 again, maybe one of the new teams will hire him if Piquet's Dad does pay him.

Has anyone listened to the WMSC meeting audio? There's reference to a 4th person, "Witness X", who remains un-named.

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Alonso was in the Hearing anyway. So it rules him out. Could be one of the Renault operatives. James Allen's got in for Alan Permane or James Allison.

Leaked.

Witness X arrives at the building.

Its MIchael Schumacher!



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It was proved only 3 people knew so why punish 600 people?

Because that is actually how it works? When BAR were punished for the fuel tank infringment and banned for races it punished all of the staff, and not just the ones responsible. When Williams were DQ'd from the Canadian GP because the brake ducts were mounted too far out from the wheel it was an honest mistake by 1 mechanic (it provided no performance boost, but was illegal). The entire team was punished with a DQ.

The list of examples is almost literally endless. You don't single out employees like this. Renault is responsible according to the sporting regulations, but have gotten away almost completely free.

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Those what you mentioned were technical faults which should have been noticed by alot of people.

The Williams and Toyota both were DQ'd. These are things which should be checked, and re-checked, a bad mistake they never made again I bet ! But yeah, these are technical mistakes which are completley incomparable to crash-gate. Mistakes which should have been noticed, then controlled.

My post above was based on that people wanted to simply ban Renault. And thats where my defence comes from. I would'nt care if they recieved a 1/2 race ban this year. My point was about being banned or being DQ'd from a whole championship.

I quote Locke

What have Renault, as a company, actually done wrong?

What Williams and Toyota and BAR did wrong was fail to notice that their cars did not meeting the regulations. They had control over that. Its even the most basic thing, you check, re-check and check again that everything is in order.

What control did Renault have over Piquet, Flav and Pat?

Let's say a mechanic, just one, decides to move a brake duct 'X mm forward of the FWCL' and it happens to be in an illegal posistion. It is upto the other mechanics to notice the mistake, its their job.

We are comparing punishments for following sporting and technical regulations and well you simply cant.

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