Raikkonen hints at Ferrari departure!!!!!

What olden days were you watching?

From memory I'm not sure when the 2-car team rule came from. It didn't seem to just happen, it seemed to just phase itself in during the 70s.

If teams want to enter 3 cars, then I've no problem with that. The problem comes when half the grid wants to have a third car... it'd be hard to come up with a fair way of choosing who has 3 cars. Offer it in constructors order? It does seem a bit unfair to the smaller privateer teams such as Force India and Williams, and it goes completely against everything that F1 has aimed for this year in terms of cost cutting.

gav Wrote:
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> What olden days were you watching?
>
> From memory I'm not sure when the 2-car team rule
> came from. It didn't seem to just happen, it
> seemed to just phase itself in during the 70s.
>
> If teams want to enter 3 cars, then I've no
> problem with that. The problem comes when half the
> grid wants to have a third car... it'd be hard to
> come up with a fair way of choosing who has 3
> cars. Offer it in constructors order? It does seem
> a bit unfair to the smaller privateer teams such
> as Force India and Williams, and it goes
> completely against everything that F1 has aimed
> for this year in terms of cost cutting.

Olden days where there were lot more teams and then they did some qualy and then whoever didn't get through was sent home. Ian Phillips was talking about it during FP2

Ah right, I misread what you posted. I thought you meant the 3rd slowest car in the team went home after Saturday.

I think that would be a bit of a disaster given how commercial F1 is now. Back then the small teams were operating for around what a GP2 team does now (even accounting for costs going up), so while TV exposure was important, it wasn't the be all and end all it is now. I can't see pre-qualifying returning, or even more than the top 26 starting (as it was after pre-qualifying).

I can see McLaren and Ferrari getting a 3rd car, but there will be a lot of obstacles to overcome before it happens.

Monza972 Wrote:
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> gav Wrote:
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> > What olden days were you watching?
> >
> > From memory I'm not sure when the 2-car team
> rule
> > came from. It didn't seem to just happen, it
> > seemed to just phase itself in during the 70s.
> >
> > If teams want to enter 3 cars, then I've no
> > problem with that. The problem comes when half
> the
> > grid wants to have a third car... it'd be hard
> to
> > come up with a fair way of choosing who has 3
> > cars. Offer it in constructors order? It does
> seem
> > a bit unfair to the smaller privateer teams
> such
> > as Force India and Williams, and it goes
> > completely against everything that F1 has aimed
> > for this year in terms of cost cutting.
>
> Olden days where there were lot more teams and
> then they did some qualy and then whoever didn't
> get through was sent home. Ian Phillips was
> talking about it during FP2

Pre-qualifying? That would figure, as Ian Phillips was the Leyton House managing director in early 1990, when pre-quali was at its height. Edit: just noticed Gav identified it as pre-quali aleady.
Yeah, I agree that it wouldn't work out in the current, more commercial era. Fitting that lot in around the practice sessions - and getting it shown on TV, if they even bothered to - would be something of a nightmare.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2009 01:51AM by EC83.

I think that:

Alonso will go to Ferrari in 2010, 95% sure.
Kimi will leave to another team i F1. I don't see him leaving F1 though. Maybe Toyota which is trying to get rid of Trulli.
Kubica will go to Renault.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2009 10:25AM by Ali.

I think Kimi will be back at Mclaren next year.

Martin keeps on praising him at the moment, something that has not been done in years.

Kimi has also got a lot stronger since Massa has not been driving, so it also makes me wonder what has been going on at Ferrari. Do they put more effort into Massa than Kimi? or is it that Kimi has just raised his game?

He is driving like the Kimi of old again, the Kimi people want to see.

marcl Wrote:
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> Kimi has also got a lot stronger since Massa has
> not been driving, so it also makes me wonder what
> has been going on at Ferrari. Do they put more
> effort into Massa than Kimi? or is it that Kimi
> has just raised his game?
>
> He is driving like the Kimi of old again, the Kimi
> people want to see.


But that is impossible to prove. For all we know, Massa could have won Hungary, Valencia and Belgium easily.

However, I do agree that Kimi is quite a good chance to return to McLaren.

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X (@ed24f1)

Yes its not easy to prove at all and you are right. I am just saying lol.

But it shows that Kimi is hungry again and its great to see.

SchueyFan Wrote:
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> marcl Wrote:
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> > Kimi has also got a lot stronger since Massa
> has
> > not been driving, so it also makes me wonder
> what
> > has been going on at Ferrari. Do they put more
> > effort into Massa than Kimi? or is it that Kimi
> > has just raised his game?
> >
> > He is driving like the Kimi of old again, the
> Kimi
> > people want to see.
>
>
> But that is impossible to prove. For all we know,
> Massa could have won Hungary, Valencia and Belgium
> easily.
>
> However, I do agree that Kimi is quite a good
> chance to return to McLaren.


Massa was slower than Kimi at Hungary almost all weekend and during the qualifying so I doubt he would have won it about Valenica and Spa we will never know but Massa isn't so good at Spa despitate the lucky win last year. Kimi has done 3 great races in a row with a car that should have no chances to be on podium.

According to Turun Sanomat Kimi and Alonso will most likely drive for Ferrari next year!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2009 12:38PM by vesuvius.

So where will Massa go?

They won't dump Massa after this. Not so soon anyway.

This is where that 3rd car comes in.

Ferrari will have Alonso and Massa, and presumably the plan was to let Kimi move on... allowing that while Massa is a bit of an unknown is a massive risk, so they're putting pressure on the FIA to allow a 3rd car, then they have a bit more flexibility. If Massa's not ready for the start, then they can use Fisi or Schumacher until then I guess, while still having 2 top-line permanent drivers.

If Fisi joins this year, in theory then Schumacher can't race until next year, regardless of health. They've used up their 4 driver allocation (though I guess if all the other teams and the FIA agree, then they could get special dispensation).

Apparently Fisi isn't moving to Ferrari. Was posted on the BBC site this morning.

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According to Gazzeta Dello sport Kubica will drive alongside Kimi at monza!

According to aPolish news website Kubica is a possible replacement. Only a MAYBE - But who everyone is just guessing about everything.
So far the rumours for the 2nd ferrari seat at Monza are:

Alonso - He has now denied it will happen
Fisichella - Seems to be just rumours?
Marc Gene - A much better option then Badoar
Badoar - God please not again...
Kubica

I wouldnt be surprised if we get Badoar again, even though he is slower then any other realistic option (or any option at all), but i think Ferrari think as a Family from upstairs at Ferrari, so they are rewarding Badoar for his time at Ferrari, and will give him a home gp.
But who knows?

If they use Badoer again at Monza they'll just be shooting themselves in the foot. He's spent the last two race meetings showing them how off the pace he is, and that won't be about to change. Never mind 3 cars, they're effectively just a 1-car team while they're running Badoer.

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Luca Badoer, look (how)badyouare

Yes, apparently that was his paddock nickname...

If there was any track that he could perform half decently it would be Monza, but its not worth it - they need someone else. I don't think Gene would be any better either. Fisi would be the best option, but obviously Mallya is reluctant to let him go, especially as FI should again be fast at Monza, so it will be a tough decision for Ferrari.

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X (@ed24f1)

I could see him let Fisi run that race as he still owes Ferrari a ton of money

kubica2 schreef:
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> According to aPolish news website Kubica is a
> possible replacement. Only a MAYBE - But who
> everyone is just guessing about everything.
> So far the rumours for the 2nd ferrari seat at
> Monza are:
>
> Alonso - He has now denied it will happen
> Fisichella - Seems to be just rumours?
> Marc Gene - A much better option then Badoar
> Badoar - God please not again...
> Kubica
>
> I wouldnt be surprised if we get Badoar again,
> even though he is slower then any other realistic
> option (or any option at all), but i think Ferrari
> think as a Family from upstairs at Ferrari, so
> they are rewarding Badoar for his time at Ferrari,
> and will give him a home gp.
> But who knows?

Why Marc Gené? He has always been, like Badoer, an avarage race driver, his last f1 race was in 2004 I believe, before that 1999 as well, winning Le Mans doesn't mean you are good in f1 also, if Badoer was at Gené's seat at Le Mans he would have won also, it doesn't go as fast as f1, so more time to react, also if I remember correct Gené was one of the slower Peugeot driver's, he won't do a better job then Badoer I believe.

Guimengo Wrote:
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> I could see him let Fisi run that race as he still
> owes Ferrari a ton of money

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> Apparently Fisi isn't moving to Ferrari. Was
> posted on the BBC site this morning.

And has been rubbished on F1.com too.
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