Ecclestone is a moron!
Posted by Morbid
quote from another forum with which I 100% agree with:
It's a drastic way of making a point, basically all the British politicans are doing now is argueing over things they don't comit to. For some reason everyone gets the heebie jeebies every time the name HITLER is mentioned... Did Bernie say he thought Hitlers views were correct? No. Did he say that the way Hitler implemented his messed up intentions was quick and succinct? Yes.
Learn to read between the lines a little more guys. In fact, even if the press had made it a little less subjective it's not all that bad. He's proabably just playing the media and using shock tactics, knowing people's reaction to name dropping the H man and I'm sure it fits into his grand scheme somewhere.
It's a drastic way of making a point, basically all the British politicans are doing now is argueing over things they don't comit to. For some reason everyone gets the heebie jeebies every time the name HITLER is mentioned... Did Bernie say he thought Hitlers views were correct? No. Did he say that the way Hitler implemented his messed up intentions was quick and succinct? Yes.
Learn to read between the lines a little more guys. In fact, even if the press had made it a little less subjective it's not all that bad. He's proabably just playing the media and using shock tactics, knowing people's reaction to name dropping the H man and I'm sure it fits into his grand scheme somewhere.
If there was ever a sign that Bernie and Max have outstayed their welcome, it's these actions now.
That quote madew absolutely zero sense to me... but after talking to someone else about it, apparently what he said was that Hitler was simply being told what to do by someone else, because he had no clue.
If that's the case, so what? It's nothing to do with Formula 1. Yes, it might show that he's a bit looney, but in the end it doesn't affect the ability to get his job done. If there's one thing that annoys me about people of the world, it's that they can let something completely irrelevant to their job kick them out. They could be fantastic at a job, the best the world has ever seen, but because they made one bad remark about something completely different, they have to go. Like with Mosely's sex scandal - I didn't understand why he should go. simply because - as another poster put it - that's the way that he can get his thing up!
At the end of the day, he'll still be as good at his job as he was before, even if he hadn't have said it. Let him have his opinion and move on. We're becoming just as bad ourselves, not letting people think what they want to think. Let him publicly say it, at least he's being honest.
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If that's the case, so what? It's nothing to do with Formula 1. Yes, it might show that he's a bit looney, but in the end it doesn't affect the ability to get his job done. If there's one thing that annoys me about people of the world, it's that they can let something completely irrelevant to their job kick them out. They could be fantastic at a job, the best the world has ever seen, but because they made one bad remark about something completely different, they have to go. Like with Mosely's sex scandal - I didn't understand why he should go. simply because - as another poster put it - that's the way that he can get his thing up!
At the end of the day, he'll still be as good at his job as he was before, even if he hadn't have said it. Let him have his opinion and move on. We're becoming just as bad ourselves, not letting people think what they want to think. Let him publicly say it, at least he's being honest.
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Iceman-Kimi Wrote:
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> quote from another forum with which I 100% agree
> with:
>
> It's a drastic way of making a point, basically
> all the British politicans are doing now is
> argueing over things they don't comit to. For some
> reason everyone gets the heebie jeebies every time
> the name HITLER is mentioned... Did Bernie say he
> thought Hitlers views were correct? No. Did he say
> that the way Hitler implemented his messed up
> intentions was quick and succinct? Yes.
>
> Learn to read between the lines a little more
> guys. In fact, even if the press had made it a
> little less subjective it's not all that bad. He's
> proabably just playing the media and using shock
> tactics, knowing people's reaction to name
> dropping the H man and I'm sure it fits into his
> grand scheme somewhere.
yes but most people are dumb sheep though, who like to jump on bandwagons.
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> quote from another forum with which I 100% agree
> with:
>
> It's a drastic way of making a point, basically
> all the British politicans are doing now is
> argueing over things they don't comit to. For some
> reason everyone gets the heebie jeebies every time
> the name HITLER is mentioned... Did Bernie say he
> thought Hitlers views were correct? No. Did he say
> that the way Hitler implemented his messed up
> intentions was quick and succinct? Yes.
>
> Learn to read between the lines a little more
> guys. In fact, even if the press had made it a
> little less subjective it's not all that bad. He's
> proabably just playing the media and using shock
> tactics, knowing people's reaction to name
> dropping the H man and I'm sure it fits into his
> grand scheme somewhere.
yes but most people are dumb sheep though, who like to jump on bandwagons.
Morbid Wrote:
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> That is simply wrong. In the same article, he
> praised Saddam and the Taliban for their ability
> to run Iraq and Afghanistan respectively. He also
> claims that democracy hasn't done a lot of good
> for most countries including Britain. Comparisons
> were made between him and these leaders.
>
> Face it. Bernie is an advocate of dictatorship and
> a fascist. IMHO, that makes him unfit for his
> job.
OK, if it was just the one odd comment I could let him off, but by the sounds of it that interview he gave has written off any chance for even me to still give him a second chance. Yes, the terrorists might be able to control the country 'better' than their opposition, but only in terms of power because they're willing to do a @%$£ job of it killing people as well as ruining what they've got in the process. Congrats Bernie, you've just shot your career's foot with a bazuka! When would anybody ever say that because they ruin lives, they run it better? Fear for power is NEVER good control!
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You know you want to. [judgegrudge.mybrute.com]
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> That is simply wrong. In the same article, he
> praised Saddam and the Taliban for their ability
> to run Iraq and Afghanistan respectively. He also
> claims that democracy hasn't done a lot of good
> for most countries including Britain. Comparisons
> were made between him and these leaders.
>
> Face it. Bernie is an advocate of dictatorship and
> a fascist. IMHO, that makes him unfit for his
> job.
OK, if it was just the one odd comment I could let him off, but by the sounds of it that interview he gave has written off any chance for even me to still give him a second chance. Yes, the terrorists might be able to control the country 'better' than their opposition, but only in terms of power because they're willing to do a @%$£ job of it killing people as well as ruining what they've got in the process. Congrats Bernie, you've just shot your career's foot with a bazuka! When would anybody ever say that because they ruin lives, they run it better? Fear for power is NEVER good control!
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You know you want to. [judgegrudge.mybrute.com]
My issue is not only with his views on dictators etc, but the fact that he consistently cites F1 as a dictatorship. He really knows how to bring the sport into a positive light.
You cannot praise the approaches and actions of a deranged lunatic who caused a world war and ordered the deaths of millions of innocent people. End of story.
Denying that he was a dictator, thus implying that he somehow wasn't that bad, is equally stupid.
I usually praise Bernie, but that comment of his is downright @#$%& retarded.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2009 01:24AM by EC83.
Denying that he was a dictator, thus implying that he somehow wasn't that bad, is equally stupid.
I usually praise Bernie, but that comment of his is downright @#$%& retarded.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2009 01:24AM by EC83.
The Lopper Wrote:
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> I'm now agreeing with Iceman-Kimi - it's just
> another case of people over-reacting the minute
> Hitler's name is mentioned and failing to
> understand properly what the person is trying to
> say.
That's true to an extent, but he would have known that this would gain a lot of media attention, and he still decided to air these views. he should have thought a bit more carefully before publicly stating this sort of stuff. surely he remembers the media attention last year with max's alleged links to Nazi sex romps. and as such, he should hold caution before making references which could be misinterpreted or exaggerated.
Even worse is the fact that he contemplates whether Hitler was an innocent bystander in the terrible events "In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not" "Either he knew what was going on and insisted, or he just went along with it — either way he wasn’t a dictator.”"
it also seems to have affected Bernie's talks with Hockenheim over their 2010 race
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X (@ed24f1)
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> I'm now agreeing with Iceman-Kimi - it's just
> another case of people over-reacting the minute
> Hitler's name is mentioned and failing to
> understand properly what the person is trying to
> say.
That's true to an extent, but he would have known that this would gain a lot of media attention, and he still decided to air these views. he should have thought a bit more carefully before publicly stating this sort of stuff. surely he remembers the media attention last year with max's alleged links to Nazi sex romps. and as such, he should hold caution before making references which could be misinterpreted or exaggerated.
Even worse is the fact that he contemplates whether Hitler was an innocent bystander in the terrible events "In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not" "Either he knew what was going on and insisted, or he just went along with it — either way he wasn’t a dictator.”"
it also seems to have affected Bernie's talks with Hockenheim over their 2010 race
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X (@ed24f1)
gav Wrote:
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> EC83 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You cannot praise the approaches and actions of
> a
> > deranged lunatic who caused a world war and
> > ordered the deaths of millions of innocent
> people.
>
> Unless there's an even more controversial part of
> the article than was quoted here, then I fail to
> see any praise whatsoever.
OK, so he stopped short of actually praising Hitler. Denying that Hitler was a dictator - and generally implying that the most evil dictator in history was maybe not that bad - was still unbelievably stupid of him.
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> EC83 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You cannot praise the approaches and actions of
> a
> > deranged lunatic who caused a world war and
> > ordered the deaths of millions of innocent
> people.
>
> Unless there's an even more controversial part of
> the article than was quoted here, then I fail to
> see any praise whatsoever.
OK, so he stopped short of actually praising Hitler. Denying that Hitler was a dictator - and generally implying that the most evil dictator in history was maybe not that bad - was still unbelievably stupid of him.
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