formula whatever "just bring it back"

hi there... i have been watching formula 1 since 1986 and from that time i never miss any race, but in that time
period i almost cancel the sport for two times, once was in 1997 "coz of the last race incident between schumacher
and villeneuve... please don't open this subject" and the second one was in 2005 "coz of the one set of tire per
gp".... in my point i thought those two years was crap "it's what i think" ... but for this year and since 23 years i stoped watching f1 races for the first time... i never watched any races in this year championship i don't
know why but i it's not formula 1 for me anymore.. i only follow the news... and to be honest i missed the real
f1 i missed the true f1 i missed everything about it..and i heard lately about the possibility of a break away
championship i don't know much about that... but i read in f1-live today that ferrari may run 3 cars in this new
championship "raikkonen, massa, and maybe alonso" and i read before about drivers supporting there teams to run
a new championship... i just want to know how much serious is this news, is it possible to see a new championship
and a one that can really beat this new stupid f1... i hope that coz i can't see formula1 going back to old days
anymore they are going down everyday with this new rules, i think it's all start in 1998 with the grooved tire..

i hope so, what u think and what u know?


speed freak

I'm hoping the carmakers do start their own series, because if they do come to an agreement with the FIA, then later they will battle over something again and we the fans have to go through this crap again. With Mosley and Bernie there things won't be good, setup there own series and let's just race.

the problem with a FOTA run series is where is the money going to come from?

yes you sell tv deals sponsorship etc, but that all comes later. to start something to rival F1 you've got to stump up a huge ammount of cash upfront.

do you seriously see the boards of toyota, renault, bmw and co all agreeing to plough millions into a breakaway series when at the same time they're going cap in hand to governments asking for taxpayers cash to keep them going?

also what happens when said companies realise that they all can't win all the time in this new formula? answer: they'll leave. thus it'll fall appart. it'll end up with 4 ferraris, 4 mclarens 3 bmw's etc

and for people thinking that it'll be good just so they no longer have a series run by mosley, well they'll end up with a series run by de montezemolo!

better the devil you know if you ask me.

^^^ nice piece of propaganda ^^^

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Don't give me "real F1". That's just nonsense talk. take off your rose-tinted glasses and realise that the sport of today is the same sport of the tragic early '90s, of the turbo-powered '80s, of the regulation-lax '50s. Very different periods, all the same sport.

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"well they'll end up with a series run by de montezemolo"
maybe u right but for some one like i see that the sport is already dead now
sorry to say that but this is how i feel about f1 this year, so having another
try in any other new series it will be "nothing to lose"..


"Don't give me "real F1". That's just nonsense talk. take off your rose-tinted glasses and realise that the sport of today is the same sport of the tragic early '90s, of the turbo-powered '80s, of the regulation-lax '50s. Very different periods, all the same sport."
what is the difference between football 10 years ago and now
and between motogp 10 years ago and now... and alot of other sport around us.

the problem about f1 that they are destroying the bases of the sport and the
reputation of been the principle of motorsport.


speed freak

tripleM Wrote:
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> ^^^ nice piece of propaganda ^^^


ok, i can understand why you'd say that, maybe it was a bit ott.

but i'm serious. Show me the money.

thats what this is all about and
thats whats stopping me from taking the breakaway seriously.

If i can see where the money for this is going to come from, then i'll believe them.

at the moment i can't.



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Locke Cole Wrote:
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> Don't give me "real F1". That's just nonsense
> talk. take off your rose-tinted glasses and
> realise that the sport of today is the same sport
> of the tragic early '90s, of the turbo-powered
> '80s, of the regulation-lax '50s. Very different
> periods, all the same sport.

VERY well said, I agree 100%.

for this year and since 23 years i stoped watching f1 races for the first time... i never watched any races in this year championship

If you have then I think that's unfortunate, because this has been the best and most enjoyable season to watch for ages!

F1 is a living thing. It's constantly changing and evolving. Just because it hasn't stayed the same as it used to be, doesn't mean it's gotten worse, and certainly doesn't mean it isn't "real" anymore. I think the important thing as a fan is to enjoy the sport as it is at present, be open minded about the prospect of change, and when that change comes, embrace it and look on it as an opportunity for exciting new developments in the sport, not look on it as a bad thing that's somehow ruining the sport.

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EC83 Wrote:
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> If you have then I think that's unfortunate,
> because this has been the best and most enjoyable
> season to watch for ages!
>
> F1 is a living thing. It's constantly changing and
> evolving. Just because it hasn't stayed the same
> as it used to be, doesn't mean it's gotten worse,
> and certainly doesn't mean it isn't "real"
> anymore. I think the important thing as a fan is
> to enjoy the sport as it is at present, be open
> minded about the prospect of change, and when that
> change comes, embrace it and look on it as an
> opportunity for exciting new developments in the
> sport, not look on it as a bad thing that's
> somehow ruining the sport.


are you kidding? so far this season has been very boring to be honest, just like 2002 and 2004. I hope we will get more winners than just Button or Vettel.Last race at Turkey was so boring that huh :s

EC83 Wrote:
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> for this year and since 23 years i stoped watching
> f1 races for the first time... i never watched any
> races in this year championship
>
> If you have then I think that's unfortunate,
> because this has been the best and most enjoyable
> season to watch for ages!
>
> F1 is a living thing. It's constantly changing and
> evolving. Just because it hasn't stayed the same
> as it used to be, doesn't mean it's gotten worse,
> and certainly doesn't mean it isn't "real"
> anymore. I think the important thing as a fan is
> to enjoy the sport as it is at present, be open
> minded about the prospect of change, and when that
> change comes, embrace it and look on it as an
> opportunity for exciting new developments in the
> sport, not look on it as a bad thing that's
> somehow ruining the sport.

Quite disagreed. This has been the most boring year I have ever watched.

Being all dramatic and proclaiming the sport to be dead and thinking that everything was better back in the day shows how rose tinted peoples glasses are and shows their inability to accept that things change. Everything in life changes. Computers change, cars change, football regulations change, so why not F1? The differences between now and the 90s are as big as the differences between the 90s and the 80s. Why are the differences between the now and the 90s worse than the ones between the 90s and the 80s?

If you can't stand changes, move to a cave and live there, since that's the only place that's protecting you from that evil thing called change.

Button has been winning, yes, but behind him has been a big shuffle with overtaking.

Somebody on Sidepodcast recently suggested that it should be re-named Formula 11. Why? Because it goes to 11!!!

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vesuvius Wrote:
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> EC83 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you have then I think that's unfortunate,
> > because this has been the best and most
> enjoyable
> > season to watch for ages!
> >
> > F1 is a living thing. It's constantly changing
> and
> > evolving. Just because it hasn't stayed the
> same
> > as it used to be, doesn't mean it's gotten
> worse,
> > and certainly doesn't mean it isn't "real"
> > anymore. I think the important thing as a fan
> is
> > to enjoy the sport as it is at present, be open
> > minded about the prospect of change, and when
> that
> > change comes, embrace it and look on it as an
> > opportunity for exciting new developments in
> the
> > sport, not look on it as a bad thing that's
> > somehow ruining the sport.
>
>
> are you kidding? so far this season has been very
> boring to be honest, just like 2002 and 2004. I
> hope we will get more winners than just Button or
> Vettel.Last race at Turkey was so boring that huh
> :s


Ho3n3r Wrote:
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> EC83 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > for this year and since 23 years i stoped
> watching
> > f1 races for the first time... i never watched
> any
> > races in this year championship
> >
> > If you have then I think that's unfortunate,
> > because this has been the best and most
> enjoyable
> > season to watch for ages!
> >
> > F1 is a living thing. It's constantly changing
> and
> > evolving. Just because it hasn't stayed the
> same
> > as it used to be, doesn't mean it's gotten
> worse,
> > and certainly doesn't mean it isn't "real"
> > anymore. I think the important thing as a fan
> is
> > to enjoy the sport as it is at present, be open
> > minded about the prospect of change, and when
> that
> > change comes, embrace it and look on it as an
> > opportunity for exciting new developments in
> the
> > sport, not look on it as a bad thing that's
> > somehow ruining the sport.
>
> Quite disagreed. This has been the most boring
> year I have ever watched.

That all comes down to viewpoint. There are other factors in how interesting/boring a sport is besides who has been winning.

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if the point of changing regs was to aid overtaking and reduce costs, then imo they have been an EPIC fail.

ask ferrari and mclaren how much they spent on kers.

also dont confuse cars on very heavy and very light fuel loads that are on the same piece of race track duking it out with proper overtaking (on similar fuel).

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They also wanted to make F1 more usefull in the normal car business. KERS is one of those things in that programm.

just one thing u should think about it, after all these changes and the new
rules for next year, i think it better for them to call it (GPS) grand prix
series, or formula racing, like one of those cheap f1 games around in the market, and they should handle there formula 1 name to the le mans.
what i want it to say that they are losing the purpose that this sport started for which is to be the top of all motorsport.


speed freak

Hi guys.

Not been on here a while, been too busy, but this current FOTA bullshit has got me real worried.

What I think is this:

I think that if FOTA do leave and form a new championship, it will have the following problems:

a) there won't initially be enough teams to make up a decent sized grid
b) the cars will go back to looking and handling like the awful, awful cars we've seen in recent F1 prior to 2009, which means there won't be much overtaking or accidents. I predict uniform follow-the-leader races a la 2004.
c) money issues will creep in once again after a couple of seasons and teams will leave. Others may crawl back to F1.
d) it won't be managed properly. The owners would have a vested interest and would argue all the time. I don't like the idea of racing three cars because it reminds me of trashy Penske.

I think that if FOTA leave and make their own series, the following will happen to F1:

a) the whole series loses some credibility due to loss of Ferrari and Mclaren. The other teams are in my opinion top-heavy marketing campaigns on wheels (particularly Red Bull and Toyota) and wouldn't really be missed once they're replaced.
b) we get the return of the privateers. I remember when we had Sauber, I remember when we had Footwork. I remember Tyrrell. I remember Minardi. I remember Lotus, March, Dallara and Benetton. Although yes they did have the backing of carmakers it was never to the extent of what it is now and the teams were there to take part and race, not to feed the fire of a public image in order to inflate their corporate identity. In my opinion this was better to watch than what it is now.

As much as a don't want this to happen, I have no control over it. I can also see a silver lining. This could be the beginning of a revolution in F1, going back to something with bigger grids and more action.

it like rock music these day.....it suck, i like listening to classic rock like watching f1 classic races

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