Pit Lane Speed Limiter?

Posted by Jagdpanzer 
Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 02:50AM
Posted by: Jagdpanzer
A basic question here for those who are experts on F1. Can someone tell me when the pitlane speed limiter was first introduced in F1 cars?



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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 03:39AM
Posted by: danm
1764. A bad year for beer. But a good year for speed.


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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 03:48AM
Posted by: Jagdpanzer
danm Wrote:
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> 1764. A bad year for beer. But a good year for
> speed.


In other words you don't have a clue, eh?



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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 03:53AM
Posted by: Briere
I guess it's in 1995
Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 04:01AM
Posted by: Jagdpanzer
1995? Interesting. Just out of curiosity do you have any source for this info? I'm really interested in learning when this came into use in F1, and if you can point me in a direction where I can learn more I would appreciate it... :)



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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 06:50AM
Posted by: Briere
I remember that I saw some footage from pitstops in 1994 with cars speeding in the pit-lane. Also, in 1995, when Herbert had his pit incident in Spain, he, if I remmeber well, purposedly kept the speed limiter off to ensure he would get the jack off his car before reaching the track.

I may be wrong though ;)



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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 07:15AM
Posted by: super__alonso
It was introduced straight after the Imola disaster when Alboreto's wheel came off.
Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 09:47AM
Posted by: Dahie
Yes, the limit itself, but the limiter technic? Did they drive without limiter in 1994 and had to hold the speed manually?

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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 10:17AM
Posted by: J i m
I doubt it....

Remember the TC ban was fresh in 1994.... they could have used the same principle to limit the speed as to control traction. Basically the technology was already there, simple and quick to implement.

It was a rule introduced to ensure pitlane safety... not to test driver skill at guessing their speed, as the cars did/do not have speedos.
Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 10:49AM
Posted by: turkey_machine
It was introduced and made mandatory for the 1994 Monaco Grand Prix. Previously, there was a limit in practice at Monaco and some other tracks, but absolutely none during the race, so the drivers could bomb through it flat out. It's how Senna did the fastest lap in the 1993 European Grand Prix at Donington. It was quite rightly introduced that year, but the benefits of not having it were that the cars rejoined the track at very near the same speeds as those already on it. Useful at some circuits like Estoril and Barcelona, Suzuka and Phoenix.



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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 11:11AM
Posted by: senninho
turkey_machine Wrote:
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> It was introduced and made mandatory for the 1994
> Monaco Grand Prix. Previously, there was a limit
> in practice at Monaco and some other tracks, but
> absolutely none during the race, so the drivers
> could bomb through it flat out. It's how Senna did
> the fastest lap in the 1993 European Grand Prix at
> Donington. It was quite rightly introduced that
> year, but the benefits of not having it were that
> the cars rejoined the track at very near the same
> speeds as those already on it. Useful at some
> circuits like Estoril and Barcelona, Suzuka and
> Phoenix.

Basically what i was gonna say. I wouldn't mind betting that they had proper limiters for Monaco in '92 and '93, at least.



Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 11:57AM
Posted by: gav
turkey_machine Wrote:
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> Useful at some circuits like Estoril and Barcelona,
> Suzuka and Phoenix.

I'm not entirely sure Berger would agree with you. ;-)
Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 12:10PM
Posted by: Sapo
1995 you said? Guess Coulthard couldn't find it then in Adelaide ;)



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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 01:03PM
Posted by: antihero
In addition to this question, I'd like to know when the rule where you can't cross the white line at the pit exit came into play?

I remember from the Duke F1 2000 review VCR viewing Coulthard crossing it at the Spanish Grand Prix in 2000, without any consequence.
Then one year later, Ralf Schumacher got penalised for the same act at the European Grand Prix. So, was this rule then introduced at the start of the 2001 season?

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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 01:16PM
Posted by: J i m
Very possibly... not sure though.
Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 01:35PM
Posted by: turkey_machine
gav Wrote:
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> turkey_machine Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Useful at some circuits like Estoril and
> Barcelona,
> > Suzuka and Phoenix.
>
> I'm not entirely sure Berger would agree with you.
> ;-)

That was more down to the Ferrari's diabolical active suspension than the speeds he was going at. ;-)



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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 02:05PM
Posted by: Covfan
Sapo Wrote:
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> 1995 you said? Guess Coulthard couldn't find it
> then in Adelaide ;)
>
> [www.f1rejects.com]


Wasn't totally caused by DC's speed. :p
Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 02:25PM
Posted by: chet
This is a question ive always wanted to ask, purley because the videos ive seen show cars going mental through the pitlane, but then logic took over and i figured there must have been a limit... But then again F1 defies logic ;)!






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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 05:54PM
Posted by: The Lopper
In fairness DC was completely caught out by the "idle strategy" or something on his Williams...could have happened to anyone...ahem hem...

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Re: Pit Lane Speed Limiter?
Date: March 12, 2009 06:03PM
Posted by: senninho
Yeah, DC claimed the idle was set too high, which meant he was going faster than expected ;)



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