2009 Pre-Season Testing
Posted by SchueyFan
DaveEllis Wrote:
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> And where are Stewart GP? Well Jackie and Paul
> sold it for much more than it cost to set it up.
> So you could say Stewart GP was a massive success,
> including the drivers. In fact Stewart GP is a
> perfect example of exceptional management. Setup a
> team, steadily improve, see the downfall of
> private teams coming, sell to a big company for a
> lot of money, roll in laughter. In the context of
> what it was and the time frame it operated in,
> Stewart GP has to go down as one of the most
> successful F1 teams as far as quick results,
> improved performance, and business decisions
> goes.
>
> Oh man, that point came to bite you in the ass
> didn't it? Or more bend you over, lube you up and
> rape you hard.
>
You are talking about the business side. I'm talking about the sporting side: Has Stewart ever won more than 1 race? Has Stewart ever won or challenged for the Constructors/Drivers titles? The answer is NO, so in this side Stewart GP was an epic fail for me. I dont care about the Business side.
> Slick tyres are slick tyres, like a stone is a
> stone. Its behavior is not different to the
> drivers.
>
> Bullsh*t. Go talk to Damon Hill and Jean Alesi,
> then come back and spout that crap.
Oh, come on. People believe its a big difference but in reality it will just increase cornering speeds. These tyres arent a big problem for the teams. They're just grippier, therefore its a good thing for them not a problem to deal with.
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> And where are Stewart GP? Well Jackie and Paul
> sold it for much more than it cost to set it up.
> So you could say Stewart GP was a massive success,
> including the drivers. In fact Stewart GP is a
> perfect example of exceptional management. Setup a
> team, steadily improve, see the downfall of
> private teams coming, sell to a big company for a
> lot of money, roll in laughter. In the context of
> what it was and the time frame it operated in,
> Stewart GP has to go down as one of the most
> successful F1 teams as far as quick results,
> improved performance, and business decisions
> goes.
>
> Oh man, that point came to bite you in the ass
> didn't it? Or more bend you over, lube you up and
> rape you hard.
>
You are talking about the business side. I'm talking about the sporting side: Has Stewart ever won more than 1 race? Has Stewart ever won or challenged for the Constructors/Drivers titles? The answer is NO, so in this side Stewart GP was an epic fail for me. I dont care about the Business side.
> Slick tyres are slick tyres, like a stone is a
> stone. Its behavior is not different to the
> drivers.
>
> Bullsh*t. Go talk to Damon Hill and Jean Alesi,
> then come back and spout that crap.
Oh, come on. People believe its a big difference but in reality it will just increase cornering speeds. These tyres arent a big problem for the teams. They're just grippier, therefore its a good thing for them not a problem to deal with.
EC83 Wrote:
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> Well for one thing, JB hasn't proven himself
> capable of beating MS in a straight fight, in the
> same car.
Yet he managed to beat MS in a car that wasnt better than the Ferrari. Refer to Hungary 2006 when he overtook him at Turn 1 with a fantastic manoeuver. MS was just PWNED. Yes MS got him @ Imola 2006, but by that time Honda was still having problems with their tyres - refer to Melbourne 2006 when he lost ground after the start because his Michelins were too cold.
> Also, Rubens has proved himself as a
> regular race winner; JB has only won one single
> race, and it could be argued that that win was a
> lucky one.
Give JB the same car and tell me if he wouldnt produce a better or similar performance? I bet JB would be capable of performing much better with that red car. Give him a good car, and he'll be a regular race winner. JB can do it.
> As Gav pointed out above, each team
> Rubens drove for before Honda made great progress
> forwards while he was driving for them; Ross Brawn
> told Rubens after the British GP in 2000 that he'd
> done more to help Ferrari in four race meetings
> than Eddie Irvine had done to help them in four
> seasons. Argue with that?
>
So what? Im not defending Eddie Irvine. Even a monkey can be better than Irvine. Stewart was sold before they could fold out; Jordan won a race without him, infact their best years were without him. Frentzen had even a slightly, very small but there was, chance of fighting for the championship!
> Also, tell me why you think he's fake?
>
For what he did @ Austria.
> How you can see it as a pleasure that a talented
> driver and a genuinely good guy is being left
> behind by the sport before his time mystifies me.
talented? There were drivers much more talented than him that deserved to drive these cars more than him.
genuinely good? Hes arrogant and doesnt accept to be blamed when things goes wrong against him. He blames everything but not himself. Refer to Melbourne 2008 pitlane incident as one of the possible examples of it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 10:51PM by Bruninho.
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> Well for one thing, JB hasn't proven himself
> capable of beating MS in a straight fight, in the
> same car.
Yet he managed to beat MS in a car that wasnt better than the Ferrari. Refer to Hungary 2006 when he overtook him at Turn 1 with a fantastic manoeuver. MS was just PWNED. Yes MS got him @ Imola 2006, but by that time Honda was still having problems with their tyres - refer to Melbourne 2006 when he lost ground after the start because his Michelins were too cold.
> Also, Rubens has proved himself as a
> regular race winner; JB has only won one single
> race, and it could be argued that that win was a
> lucky one.
Give JB the same car and tell me if he wouldnt produce a better or similar performance? I bet JB would be capable of performing much better with that red car. Give him a good car, and he'll be a regular race winner. JB can do it.
> As Gav pointed out above, each team
> Rubens drove for before Honda made great progress
> forwards while he was driving for them; Ross Brawn
> told Rubens after the British GP in 2000 that he'd
> done more to help Ferrari in four race meetings
> than Eddie Irvine had done to help them in four
> seasons. Argue with that?
>
So what? Im not defending Eddie Irvine. Even a monkey can be better than Irvine. Stewart was sold before they could fold out; Jordan won a race without him, infact their best years were without him. Frentzen had even a slightly, very small but there was, chance of fighting for the championship!
> Also, tell me why you think he's fake?
>
For what he did @ Austria.
> How you can see it as a pleasure that a talented
> driver and a genuinely good guy is being left
> behind by the sport before his time mystifies me.
talented? There were drivers much more talented than him that deserved to drive these cars more than him.
genuinely good? Hes arrogant and doesnt accept to be blamed when things goes wrong against him. He blames everything but not himself. Refer to Melbourne 2008 pitlane incident as one of the possible examples of it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 10:51PM by Bruninho.
As much as I hate that comment Nick, it still deserves a LOL(TM)!
Now, can we carry on with the testing?
Alonso's 6tenths hasnt been mentioned yet
!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Now, can we carry on with the testing?
Alonso's 6tenths hasnt been mentioned yet
!"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Nickv Wrote:
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> Bruninho schreef:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are talking about the business side. I'm
> > talking about the sporting side: Has Stewart
> ever
> > won more than 1 race? Has Stewart ever won or
> > challenged for the Constructors/Drivers titles?
> > The answer is NO, so in this side Stewart GP
> was
> > an epic fail for me. I dont care about the
> > Business side.
>
> You can also apply that exactly to Button. Funny
> that.
Button still has a couple of years to prove you wrong. The other retired brazilian failed epically at it.
@chet: 6 tenths? Where? Show me the timesheets, please, because anything good from Renault is good news for me!
Edit: Found it. Doesnt look good for me, i thought you said he was 6 tenths ahead, not behind
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:02PM by Bruninho.
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> Bruninho schreef:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are talking about the business side. I'm
> > talking about the sporting side: Has Stewart
> ever
> > won more than 1 race? Has Stewart ever won or
> > challenged for the Constructors/Drivers titles?
> > The answer is NO, so in this side Stewart GP
> was
> > an epic fail for me. I dont care about the
> > Business side.
>
> You can also apply that exactly to Button. Funny
> that.
Button still has a couple of years to prove you wrong. The other retired brazilian failed epically at it.
@chet: 6 tenths? Where? Show me the timesheets, please, because anything good from Renault is good news for me!
Edit: Found it. Doesnt look good for me, i thought you said he was 6 tenths ahead, not behind
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:02PM by Bruninho.
Ross Brawn has confirmed that the brackley based squad has found a buyer and the team was told to start preparing the things for Melbourne. It was reported that they had even found five sponsors. As for the engine, it seems that they will be mercedes powered. They also said that they will need 1 month to fit the new engine in its new model.
Its going to be my dream team, Button & Senna, baby!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:06PM by Bruninho.
Its going to be my dream team, Button & Senna, baby!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:06PM by Bruninho.
Considering mclaren are still using the 08 rear wing, red bull look in good shape. only 0.001 off with a more of an 09 spec car that mclaren
do you think they have aero issues with their 09 wing?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:07PM by DJSKYLINE.
do you think they have aero issues with their 09 wing?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:07PM by DJSKYLINE.
Renault could well actually be in better shape than they seem to be in at the moment. They're likely to make a step forward naturally over the winter, with Alonso's input into the team. And they've got a strong platform to build on. In the last four races of 2008 Alonso finished 1st, 1st, 4th and 2nd - pretty strong form by any reckoning.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:25PM by EC83.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2009 11:25PM by EC83.
EC83 Wrote:
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> Renault could well be in better shape than they
> actually seem to be in at the moment.
yes ...or even worse hehe
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> Renault could well be in better shape than they
> actually seem to be in at the moment.
yes ...or even worse hehe
. In the last four races of 2008 Alonso finished 1st, 1st, 4th and 2nd - pretty strong form by any reckoning
Then why wasnt Button 2007 WDC ?
!
Bruno - my comment was a joke. When Alonso went to Mclaren remember that 6tenths comment that round about the net? And again cropped up last year during winter testing?
Also, Brawn has not yet confirmed the news. It's just reported he has.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Then why wasnt Button 2007 WDC ?
!Bruno - my comment was a joke. When Alonso went to Mclaren remember that 6tenths comment that round about the net? And again cropped up last year during winter testing?
Also, Brawn has not yet confirmed the news. It's just reported he has.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Renault are likely to come out with a package that's more well-rounded and driveable, focusing less on sheer power. That's how they've always been before anyway.
Alonso brought the team another .6s but Piquet took away 1.2s
montoya6k Wrote:
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> damn!
>
> Jerez - 12/02/2009
> 1 . S. Bourdais - Toro Rosso Ferrari STR3* -
> 1:18.493 (+ 0.000 ) - 126 laps
> 2 . L. Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes MP4-24 -
> 1:20.737 (+ 2.244 ) - 93 laps
> 3 . S. Vettel - Red Bull Renault RB5 - 1:20.738 (+
> 2.245 ) - 92 laps
> 4 . K. Nakajima - Williams Toyota FW31 - 1:20.898
> (+ 2.405 ) - 92 laps
> 5 . F. Alonso - Renault R29 - 1:21.307 (+ 2.814 )
> - 133 laps.
>
> Alonso slowest of them all,and he is the only
> driver who did 100+laps..
>
> somethings wrong with the renault! and i think the
> nose is the one that makes that car so slow
Bourdais did 100 + laps too
GPGSL WDC Season 4
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> damn!
>
> Jerez - 12/02/2009
> 1 . S. Bourdais - Toro Rosso Ferrari STR3* -
> 1:18.493 (+ 0.000 ) - 126 laps
> 2 . L. Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes MP4-24 -
> 1:20.737 (+ 2.244 ) - 93 laps
> 3 . S. Vettel - Red Bull Renault RB5 - 1:20.738 (+
> 2.245 ) - 92 laps
> 4 . K. Nakajima - Williams Toyota FW31 - 1:20.898
> (+ 2.405 ) - 92 laps
> 5 . F. Alonso - Renault R29 - 1:21.307 (+ 2.814 )
> - 133 laps.
>
> Alonso slowest of them all,and he is the only
> driver who did 100+laps..
>
> somethings wrong with the renault! and i think the
> nose is the one that makes that car so slow
Bourdais did 100 + laps too
GPGSL WDC Season 4
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