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Mike Gascoyne is reminiscent of that 'odd uncle' who always shows up at family parties, but nobody really wants him there. Everyone is too polite to say "Leave, already!" but it's what they're all thinking.
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You talk about him pushing the mutilated 99 Jordan to every team he joins, but what about Newey? He brought the mclaren projects with him to RBR. The cars were bloody similar, the only difference I could spot was the rear wing! (Apart of the results, speed & livery... meh!)
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yeah but newey actually designed them.
didnt gascoyne thrive off most output done by other people?
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
didnt gascoyne thrive off most output done by other people?
You talk about him pushing the mutilated 99 Jordan to every team he joins, but what about Newey? He brought the mclaren projects with him to RBR. The cars were bloody similar, the only difference I could spot was the rear wing! (Apart of the results, speed & livery... meh!)
Newey designed those cars, and the McLarens were good cars. Mike DIDN'T design the 99 Jordan, but he piggy backs off the performances it archived. His first design for Jordan was the 2000 car, a significant drop. As have all of his cars been since.
Date: February 04, 2009 06:08PM
Posted by: turkey_machine (IP Logged)
Correction there Dave, Toyota's 2005 car was actually quite good. A fair few podiums that year if I recall.
So we'll give him credit for 1 good car in 10 years? 1 in 10 is a bad record.
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Newey designed those cars, and the McLarens were good cars. Mike DIDN'T design the 99 Jordan, but he piggy backs off the performances it archived. His first design for Jordan was the 2000 car, a significant drop. As have all of his cars been since.
Date: February 04, 2009 06:08PM
Posted by: turkey_machine (IP Logged)
Correction there Dave, Toyota's 2005 car was actually quite good. A fair few podiums that year if I recall.
So we'll give him credit for 1 good car in 10 years? 1 in 10 is a bad record.
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Postlethwaite asked Gascoyne to return back to Tyrrell to debuty Tech director wasnt it? A much better posistion than at Sauber.
The C13, was that Saubers first or second F1 car? It finished an impressive 6th in the WCC.
Gascoyne was the one who set up in 2001 Renaults design team structure which lead to the successful years of 2003-2005. He joined Toyota at the end of 2003 was it?
Apparently too late to concentrate on their 2004 car so decided to work on the 2005 car. One of their ebst cars to date. Rumour has it he left, well got sacked because he wanted change in the team, probably more of a step away from Japan. Truth is know one knows why he was sacked, what is known is he did not get along with the other head guy ( dont know his name!! ).
He might be an arse to work with but he's hardly been unsuccessful tbf.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
The C13, was that Saubers first or second F1 car? It finished an impressive 6th in the WCC.
Gascoyne was the one who set up in 2001 Renaults design team structure which lead to the successful years of 2003-2005. He joined Toyota at the end of 2003 was it?
Apparently too late to concentrate on their 2004 car so decided to work on the 2005 car. One of their ebst cars to date. Rumour has it he left, well got sacked because he wanted change in the team, probably more of a step away from Japan. Truth is know one knows why he was sacked, what is known is he did not get along with the other head guy ( dont know his name!! ).
He might be an arse to work with but he's hardly been unsuccessful tbf.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Just on drivers, again I know this probably isnt true or real but i'd sure like to see A.J Allmendinger... God knows why he went to NASCAR when he did, he was pretty awesome in champcar and in the unification would have been a major threat! In F1 I reckon he could ( could have ??? ) ruffled a few feathers !
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
!"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
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Setting up a
> system is called managing - not designing.
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He was never a designer though, just a manager. It was his job to direct the people under him to come up with the designs.
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Setting up a
> system is called managing - not designing.
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He was never a designer though, just a manager. It was his job to direct the people under him to come up with the designs.
Gascoyne was out of his position before Rensults results picked up. By the time Renault were a proper world championship contender, he was long out of the system. Setting up a system is not the same as designing cars. The only successful Renaults were not designed by Mike. Setting up a system is called managing - not designing.
Agreed but managment is a very important issue in modern industry and despite a good design could often be the difference between winning and losing, and/or sustaining a good business. He set up the managment foundations for a championship winning team.
As far as I know he completed his masters then went on for his PhD but didnt complete his thesis. I guess there could be reasons behind it but in the end it didnt really matter!
Being highly paid has nothing to do with him. That was how much Toyota were (stupidly) willing to give him.
Mike is no longer in F1 for a reason. He went from race winning teams, down to back of the grid teams and then out. Getting onboard with a new team because the established teams will no longer hire you is the next step in the desperte cling to F1.
Ferrari have Byrne ( i think still )
Mclaren have, well quite a few of the top men!
Renault have Pat and Bob Bell
Williams have Head and Sam Micheal
RedBull ahve Newey and Willis
FI have Mark Smith
Toyota ermm someone.
BMW have Willy Rampf
Truth is no-one needs him.
I agree he probably is a c*nt to work with, and he is over-rated. But for a completley brand new team I fully believe he could be a useful factor in them having a good start to their F1 career. Would you not agree?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Agreed but managment is a very important issue in modern industry and despite a good design could often be the difference between winning and losing, and/or sustaining a good business. He set up the managment foundations for a championship winning team.
As far as I know he completed his masters then went on for his PhD but didnt complete his thesis. I guess there could be reasons behind it but in the end it didnt really matter!
Being highly paid has nothing to do with him. That was how much Toyota were (stupidly) willing to give him.
Mike is no longer in F1 for a reason. He went from race winning teams, down to back of the grid teams and then out. Getting onboard with a new team because the established teams will no longer hire you is the next step in the desperte cling to F1.
Ferrari have Byrne ( i think still )
Mclaren have, well quite a few of the top men!
Renault have Pat and Bob Bell
Williams have Head and Sam Micheal
RedBull ahve Newey and Willis
FI have Mark Smith
Toyota ermm someone.
BMW have Willy Rampf
Truth is no-one needs him.
I agree he probably is a c*nt to work with, and he is over-rated. But for a completley brand new team I fully believe he could be a useful factor in them having a good start to their F1 career. Would you not agree?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Willis had a massive budget at Honda but couldn't produce anything more than a top4 car. I do not blame his talents because that isnt the case. I blame Honda's management, and I believe that too is the case with Toyota. ( though there were mechanical issues with Honda, namley tyre problems! )
He was simply adding bits on to old Jordans but with a limited budget I guess there are limits to how different you go for the next car. With lack of testing and resources it is always difficult.
I was quite amazed at Minardi's final effort. Certainly was quite a radical car for them, and very different, just slow. With more resources and more testing the car could have been alot better.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
He was simply adding bits on to old Jordans but with a limited budget I guess there are limits to how different you go for the next car. With lack of testing and resources it is always difficult.
I was quite amazed at Minardi's final effort. Certainly was quite a radical car for them, and very different, just slow. With more resources and more testing the car could have been alot better.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
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> Willis had a massive budget at Honda but couldn't
> produce anything more than a top4 car. I do not
> blame his talents because that isnt the case. I
> blame Honda's management, and I believe that too
> is the case with Toyota. ( though there were
> mechanical issues with Honda, namley tyre
> problems! )
But Willis produced the BAR 006, which got the team to 2nd place, beating the likes of Renault, McLaren, Williams and Toyota who maybe except Williams, had much bigger budgets! and also a Willis car got Honda their first win. Willis didn't have time to make the most of Honda's money though because Nakamoto decided to take over and he was forced out, so pretty much a month after Honda bought them out, Willis was gone.
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> Willis had a massive budget at Honda but couldn't
> produce anything more than a top4 car. I do not
> blame his talents because that isnt the case. I
> blame Honda's management, and I believe that too
> is the case with Toyota. ( though there were
> mechanical issues with Honda, namley tyre
> problems! )
But Willis produced the BAR 006, which got the team to 2nd place, beating the likes of Renault, McLaren, Williams and Toyota who maybe except Williams, had much bigger budgets! and also a Willis car got Honda their first win. Willis didn't have time to make the most of Honda's money though because Nakamoto decided to take over and he was forced out, so pretty much a month after Honda bought them out, Willis was gone.
PSN/Xbox 360 ID - Ianwoollam
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