With or without Bourdais?/Just in: Berger sells his share of Toro Rosso!
Posted by BAR#10
J i m Wrote:
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> Okay... Massa made some fairly huge blunders,
> including at Melbourne, Sepang and Silverstone.
>
> He was in good company. Hamilton cocked up at
> Bahrain, Montreal, and Fuji.
>
> Raikkonen at Spa, amongst ohters.
What annoys me is that after his humiliation @ silverstone, he still blamed the car when it was completely his own fault. Kimi? I havent heard a single word from Kimi blaming the car in that day.
Hamilton did not spun 10 times in a wet track, he won it by driving like a champion...
For me, a wet race is the best place to see who is good and who is not. Because even though its the same for everyone and equalises the race, you need to be extremely sensible with your throttle to keep the car on track. If you can feel the car, and make the most out of it against your competition under these conditions above, then surely in a good car you can do the same in a dry race. With or without a good setup, with or without the right tyres. Like Ayrton used to do a gazillion of times with dry tyres...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2008 08:53PM by Bruninho.
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> Okay... Massa made some fairly huge blunders,
> including at Melbourne, Sepang and Silverstone.
>
> He was in good company. Hamilton cocked up at
> Bahrain, Montreal, and Fuji.
>
> Raikkonen at Spa, amongst ohters.
What annoys me is that after his humiliation @ silverstone, he still blamed the car when it was completely his own fault. Kimi? I havent heard a single word from Kimi blaming the car in that day.
Hamilton did not spun 10 times in a wet track, he won it by driving like a champion...
For me, a wet race is the best place to see who is good and who is not. Because even though its the same for everyone and equalises the race, you need to be extremely sensible with your throttle to keep the car on track. If you can feel the car, and make the most out of it against your competition under these conditions above, then surely in a good car you can do the same in a dry race. With or without a good setup, with or without the right tyres. Like Ayrton used to do a gazillion of times with dry tyres...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2008 08:53PM by Bruninho.
Lol @ the extreme off-topic going 
With all respect, but surely Buemi most be running with very low fuel? And well, atm Sato seems to have the edge over Bourdais.
Bye bye Bourdais, I guess. A shame, but oh well...
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Bring back the racing
With all respect, but surely Buemi most be running with very low fuel? And well, atm Sato seems to have the edge over Bourdais.
Bye bye Bourdais, I guess. A shame, but oh well...
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Bring back the racing
IWE Wrote:
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> Bruninho Wrote:
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> > What annoys me is that after his humiliation @
> > silverstone, he still blamed the car when it
> was
> > completely his own fault. Kimi? I havent heard
> a
> > single word from Kimi blaming the car in that
> > day.
>
>
> Maybe Kimi didnt blame car on that day, but pretty
> much on all other days and when he didnt blame the
> car he was blaming the tires. Massa was pure @#$%&
> in silverstone, but anyway earned a change to
> fight for title and wouldnt have been so wrong
> even if he wud have won it!
>
Fair enough. Problem with him is that when everything goes %$*%$ for him, he blames the car, team, mechanics, fans, the world, the universe. But when he wins..."I did a solid and perfect drive!". AND THE OTHERS?
Meanwhile, Kimi was indeed blaming the tyres this season but his teammate had no excuses as he wasnt having the same problem. Kimi's problem was mainly the tyre warming, most notably the rear ones. He didnt suffered in the wet as much as his teammate though.
> And Sato have earned place in F1 more than atleast
> third part of current drivers including Piquet.
> Piquet is lucky that he is still allowed to try,
> but I dont beleave he is able to improve enought
> to stay in F1 for more than this one season (if
> even that).
I bet that he'll prove you wrong. I bet.
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> Bruninho Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What annoys me is that after his humiliation @
> > silverstone, he still blamed the car when it
> was
> > completely his own fault. Kimi? I havent heard
> a
> > single word from Kimi blaming the car in that
> > day.
>
>
> Maybe Kimi didnt blame car on that day, but pretty
> much on all other days and when he didnt blame the
> car he was blaming the tires. Massa was pure @#$%&
> in silverstone, but anyway earned a change to
> fight for title and wouldnt have been so wrong
> even if he wud have won it!
>
Fair enough. Problem with him is that when everything goes %$*%$ for him, he blames the car, team, mechanics, fans, the world, the universe. But when he wins..."I did a solid and perfect drive!". AND THE OTHERS?
Meanwhile, Kimi was indeed blaming the tyres this season but his teammate had no excuses as he wasnt having the same problem. Kimi's problem was mainly the tyre warming, most notably the rear ones. He didnt suffered in the wet as much as his teammate though.
> And Sato have earned place in F1 more than atleast
> third part of current drivers including Piquet.
> Piquet is lucky that he is still allowed to try,
> but I dont beleave he is able to improve enought
> to stay in F1 for more than this one season (if
> even that).
I bet that he'll prove you wrong. I bet.
antihero Wrote:
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> Lol @ the extreme off-topic going
>
> With all respect, but surely Buemi most be running
> with very low fuel? And well, atm Sato seems to
> have the edge over Bourdais.
>
> Bye bye Bourdais, I guess. A shame, but oh well...
They had pretty close laptimes, Buemi is either running low fuel to match him or same program that they all are doing. Hard to say.
I dont want to see Sato in F1 again. But we can't say that Bourdais is out now, at the end of the day, Buemi's teammate will be the one who brings the biggest amount of money to the team from his sponsors. Sato surely doesnt have more money than Bourdais.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2008 09:22PM by Bruninho.
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> Lol @ the extreme off-topic going
>
> With all respect, but surely Buemi most be running
> with very low fuel? And well, atm Sato seems to
> have the edge over Bourdais.
>
> Bye bye Bourdais, I guess. A shame, but oh well...
They had pretty close laptimes, Buemi is either running low fuel to match him or same program that they all are doing. Hard to say.
I dont want to see Sato in F1 again. But we can't say that Bourdais is out now, at the end of the day, Buemi's teammate will be the one who brings the biggest amount of money to the team from his sponsors. Sato surely doesnt have more money than Bourdais.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2008 09:22PM by Bruninho.
Sato has more money in the sense of Red Bull wanting to break into the Japanese market.
Red Bull already has a big influence in Europe and America, and Japan is next on the list.
Sato's links and funding make him more financially viable in this critical time.
Heck, Honda even setup a B team just to have him in F1, and there was national outcry when he got replaced at Honda.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Red Bull already has a big influence in Europe and America, and Japan is next on the list.
Sato's links and funding make him more financially viable in this critical time.
Heck, Honda even setup a B team just to have him in F1, and there was national outcry when he got replaced at Honda.
montoya6k Wrote:
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> Okey, we know timo glock is a former gp2
> whatsoever right?,is he succesfull enought for
> toyota or for jarno?i dont think so,and for me you
> dont have to be the best in all racing categories
> just to take an f1 seat(dont be so dependent on
> statictics
I dont like Glock either.
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> Okey, we know timo glock is a former gp2
> whatsoever right?,is he succesfull enought for
> toyota or for jarno?i dont think so,and for me you
> dont have to be the best in all racing categories
> just to take an f1 seat(dont be so dependent on
> statictics
I dont like Glock either.
Guimengo Wrote:
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> Felipe Massa always makes a point to credit the
> car and the team for every result he gets as well
> as take the blame most of the time, I remember
> Globo never showed press conferences so it could
> be just you missing it !
I do read the press conference transcripts from websites such as formula1.com and f1-live.com, and I have never seen him blaming himself for a poor result.
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> Felipe Massa always makes a point to credit the
> car and the team for every result he gets as well
> as take the blame most of the time, I remember
> Globo never showed press conferences so it could
> be just you missing it !
I do read the press conference transcripts from websites such as formula1.com and f1-live.com, and I have never seen him blaming himself for a poor result.
SchueyFan Wrote:
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> if he had a poor result he wouldn't be in the
> press conference
In fact he'd be still quoted in another news. Like the Formula1.com driver quotes after the race, where all of them are saying something about their races
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> if he had a poor result he wouldn't be in the
> press conference
In fact he'd be still quoted in another news. Like the Formula1.com driver quotes after the race, where all of them are saying something about their races
Anyone knows if Bruno Senna is going to test another car for 2009? Its possible to him be in F1 next year, at least as test driver?
he is in talks with a few other teams, Toro Rosso is still #1 in his list for a racing seat.
Is he #1 on their list though?
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