Is Lewis set to dominate?

For alonso, hamilton was at the right place at the wrong time.
Maybe mclaren were going to sign Hamilton for 08 but I personally think they made it 07 after his gp2 drive. This cost Alonso a 3rd WDC and who knows if hamilton was not in f1 at all it is very likely Alonso could have been 4x WDC by now (age 27!)

I don't care what anyone says about him. All I know is that I'm yet to see Lewis produce a performance of the same quality as Alonso or Kimi, and until that happens, I can't consider him to be best of the best. He is a very talented driver, but he still lacks that extra to be really great. I still see a lot of McLaren's support on his driving to be honest. So for now I disagree with the article.

Kimi in 2005 was amazing, especially when the McLaren became the best car in the grid, and even more so when the reliability improved. I think Lewis should have driven similar this year but we still can't forget it's his 2nd season only in F1. I say that by the end of 2010 we can have a fairly good judgement on him regardless of car and stuff.

This is one of F1's greatest time for driver talent.

When have ever had drivers like Lewis, Kimi, Alonso, Massa, Vettel, Nico, Kubica, and Glock (Maybe, maybe not) all capable, well all have the talent to win. I would include Heidfeld and Button to but at 28 ( for Button ) he has at best 6 seasons left in him. Enough to challenge those??

I dont think it is inconceivable that one year Lewis will win, the next Alonso, the next Vettel, the next Kimi etc...

I was extremly happy to be able to witness the 'Shumacher era' in full flight but I am more happy to be able to witness young talent like all above mentioned.

Its also funny, there is not anyone in the in the Lower formula that I see as potential greats. Possible that Spanish dude to win the BritishF3, but there isnt really a standout driver. Nico Hulkenburg seems abit over-rated.

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marcl Wrote:
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> I think people need to look at how former world
> champs went in their 1st and 2nd years of F1
> before they keep putting Lewis down. Yes he went
> into a top car straight away but the Renault and
> Benetton were not exactly crap cars.

You mean Jordan dont you, thats how schumy debuted
in F1 in Spa 91 with a crappy car qualifying 7th.

marcl Wrote:
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> Plus if the mclaren was that good in 2007 why did
> alonso not win more races? why was he making so
> many errors.

We all know why, Hamilton got always the best of out the
mclaren especially after the "stepney-gate" thing and alonso
doing miracles with lot less support from the team. We all knew
that.

marcl Wrote:
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> MS 1st and 2nd year many spins many crashes.
>
> Alonso, bit hard to say really. Had a good 1st
> year in the Minardi but 1st year and Renault was a
> bit up and down, had a lot of testing as well.

Yeahh but schumyu was competing against mayor cars those years with a
bennetton that was clearly way slower than the Williams and Mclaren in 91.
In 92 was great year when schumy won in Spa and even greater because with
that car he finished 3rd in the driver champ only 3 points away of ricardo patrese with that williams fw14b that was absolutely unbeatable.

marcl Wrote:
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> I think now Lewis has his 1st world champ we will
> see him just get better and better.

I seriously doubt him getting any better but lets see.



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Well said J-C, plus LH I think will let it go to his head more than others would.
After all, now he's world famous, got a hanger-on girlfriend , and carries himself like one of his hip-hop ho-capping rude boi friends.

chet Wrote:
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> When have ever had drivers like Lewis, Kimi,
> Alonso, Massa, Vettel, Nico, Kubica, and Glock
> (Maybe, maybe not) all capable, well all have the
> talent to win. I would include Heidfeld and Button
> to but at 28 ( for Button ) he has at best 6
> seasons left in him. Enough to challenge those??

Senna, Prost, Mansell, Berger, Alboreto, Piquet, Laffite, Lauda, Bellof, Arnoux, Brundle, Rosberg, de Angelis, Patrese..... de Cesaris .

1985.

60's and 70's were pretty rich too.

LS. Wrote:
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Is Lewis set to dominate?







No....



"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle

ROFL @ that article! I know it's already been highlighted but this statement alone is worth further lambasting! I mean really:
"What is clear is that Alonso in a potential title-winning car is a potential world champion, whether Hamilton is there or not."

When is exactly did Alonso go from being 2 times W.D.C. to merely a 'potential world champion'?

Massa is a 'potential' world champion, and Hamilton is only as good as Massa. These press monkeys need to remember that. A better article would have been 'Are Hamilton and Massa set to dominate?'

Even though I think they are not.

gav Wrote:
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> chet Wrote:
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> > When have ever had drivers like Lewis, Kimi,
> > Alonso, Massa, Vettel, Nico, Kubica, and Glock
> > (Maybe, maybe not) all capable, well all have
> the
> > talent to win. I would include Heidfeld and
> Button
> > to but at 28 ( for Button ) he has at best 6
> > seasons left in him. Enough to challenge
> those??
>
> Senna, Prost, Mansell, Berger, Alboreto, Piquet,
> Laffite, Lauda, Bellof, Arnoux, Brundle, Rosberg,
> de Angelis, Patrese..... de Cesaris .
>
> 1985.
>
> 60's and 70's were pretty rich too.

Lol.
Berger was good but not like in the same league as Prost and Senna or Mansell. My opinion of the current crop of drivers is they are all pretty equal.

It has to be thousands of a second to seperate Lewis from Vettel, Massa etc.

Back then Senna, Prost, Mansell, Lauda and I guess Piquet and Rosberg to an extent were pretty equal. Though I would hardly say Patrese, Brundle, Laffite, Berger, Alboreto, de Angelis were on par with them. Bellof was quick, and Laffite and Arnoux had their time before these lot came into their own really.

imo there has always been two or 3 drivers at the top. I would even say Alonso was Shumachers only real competitor since Mika. At the time Kimi and JPM put up a fight but never really as consistant and agressive and never seemed like a real fight ( sounds silly I know! ). But for once I believe it would almost be impossible to seperate all the guys I mentioned had they been in the same car. Ins probably unfair of me to think that because I guess at the time many would ahve thought that and did about Bellof and de Ceseris!

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Guimengo Wrote:
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>
> Senna won what, 5 races in that horrendous 1993
> McLaren? Don't they dare compare Lewis to Ayrton
> like that.

It actually wasnt a bad little car. There was nothing wrong with the chassis, just the engine was down on horsepower.

I believe that Alonso got the same equipment and chance that Hamilton did in 2007, despite what he reckons. Yes, the McLaren management might've been a bit more supportive of Hamilton, but Alonso was already a two time world champion and well established. Surely he didnt as much nurturing as Hamilton as a rookie might've? Alonso also struggled with the tyres for a while, as well as adjusting to the McLaren which was vastly different to the Renault.

Red_Bull Wrote:
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> Guimengo Wrote:
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> >
> > Senna won what, 5 races in that horrendous 1993
> > McLaren? Don't they dare compare Lewis to
> Ayrton
> > like that.
>
> It actually wasnt a bad little car. There was
> nothing wrong with the chassis, just the engine
> was down on horsepower.

Exactly mclaren chassis was very good only engine was crap.
The thing was that Benetton had the evolution 7 of the ford engine
and mclaren the 5. Ford offered Benetton the evolution 8 but they
didnt want it until late in the season and mclaren got the 7th version
and then only then senna started winning races again that year.

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chet Wrote:
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> Lol.
> Berger was good but not like in the same league as
> Prost and Senna or Mansell. My opinion of the
> current crop of drivers is they are all pretty
> equal.

Berger was seen as a very, very highly rated driver back in '85.


chet Wrote:
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> Back then Senna, Prost, Mansell, Lauda and I guess
> Piquet and Rosberg to an extent were pretty
> equal. Though I would hardly say Patrese, Brundle,
> Laffite, Berger, Alboreto, de Angelis were on par
> with them. Bellof was quick, and Laffite and
> Arnoux had their time before these lot came into
> their own really.

Alboreto was hailed as an exciting young product who would go onto great things. It never materialised. Read: Button.

In 10-15 years time we might be thinking the same about Vettel, Glock, Kubica and Rosberg. Only one of them is thought of as anywhere near title-winning good at the moment. The others are all still Bergers and Brundles.

Put it into perspective. In the late 80's people were speaking of Stefano Modena in the same way we currently are about Vettel.

...and like we all did about Mark Webber too!

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gav Wrote:
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> chet Wrote:
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> > Lol.
> > Berger was good but not like in the same league
> as
> > Prost and Senna or Mansell.

> Berger was seen as a very, very highly rated
> driver back in '85.


Berger was seen as an up and comer in 85-86, much like Vettel is today. When he moved to Ferrari in 87 great things were expected, and he drove well enough in cars not all that great to eventually be picked by Mclaren as Senna's team mate. He was competitive even after moving back to Ferrari for his second stint. They didn't have top notch cars in those years, but Berger usually ran up front, and nabbed a win here and there...



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J-C Wrote:
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> Exactly mclaren chassis was very good only engine
> was crap.

But back in 1993, the differences between Williams and McLaren were huge, very different than differences we can see today. At some races, the Williams could be more than a second faster than the McLaren (or even more!).

there's a lot of luck involved. historically speaking, there's always only two, maybe three, championship winning cars per season, and not all of the good drivers can fit in these seats. so they will need to be at the right place at the wrong time. for example webber chose to go to williams in 2005 instead of renault, where he would have most likely scored several wins.

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Ali Wrote:
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> J-C Wrote:
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> > Exactly mclaren chassis was very good only
> engine
> > was crap.
>
> But back in 1993, the differences between Williams
> and McLaren were huge, very different than
> differences we can see today. At some races, the
> Williams could be more than a second faster than
> the McLaren (or even more!).

In the middle of 93 season yes its true what you say.
Look in early season things were different more equal i would say
and in late season when finally mclaren got the evo 7 from Ford, Senna
was back again winning or challenging for wins.

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Ford engines were pretty good in middle 90s... Michael Schumacher won his first title with a benneton ford...

In 1992 and 1993 was too difficult to beat the Williams, because they had a huge electronic advantage