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Well, my reasons are quite clear...

1) he's an arrogant git
2) he's useless in wet races, a coward under thunderstorms
3) he has been helped by FIA a lot
4) he's also a liar and makes use of dirty on-track tactics.

But frankly, I personally don't like him mainly because he served as a number two in 2006, and also because his driving performances had never impressed me. Just made me laugh.

When he's lying with comments like "I spun at Sepang because there was something wrong with the car", "I didn't hit Hamilton on purpose" or "I overtook Kimi because I was faster than him" are just adding fuel for people to dislike him.

It's not surprising at all [a good number of brazilians not supporting him]. I know that there are brits who dislike Hamilton. I race in an online league where the admin is spanish and he also doesnt likes Alonso.

I dont have to support a driver just because he's from my country, I prefer to support GOOD AND TALENTED drivers, but if he's from the same nation, GOOD, even better!

There is no point in supporting a driver from the same nation if hes not good. [ironic] It's like supporting the Spurs just because you live in Tottenham... [/ironic] *rolleyes*.

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Bruninho Wrote:
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> Well, my reasons are quite clear...
>
> 1) he's an arrogant git
> 2) he's useless in wet races, a coward under
> thunderstorms
> 3) he has been helped by FIA a lot
> 4) he's also a liar and makes use of dirty
> on-track tactics.
>
> But frankly, I personally don't like him mainly
> because he served as a number two in 2006, and
> also because his driving performances had never
> impressed me. Just made me laugh.
>
> When he's lying with comments like "I spun at
> Sepang because there was something wrong with the
> car", "I didn't hit Hamilton on purpose" or "I
> overtook Kimi because I was faster than him" are
> just adding fuel for people to dislike him.
>
> It's not surprising at all . I know that there are
> brits who dislike Hamilton. I race in an online
> league where the admin is spanish and he also
> doesnt likes Alonso.
>
> I dont have to support a driver just because he's
> from my country, I prefer to support GOOD AND
> TALENTED drivers, but if he's from the same
> nation, GOOD, even better!
>
> There is no point in supporting a driver from the
> same nation if hes not good. It's like supporting
> the Spurs just because you live in Tottenham...
> *rolleyes*.


Quoted for prosperity, because I truly believe that's the first sensible post you've written all year!

Speaking of Senna (the user), what happened to him?

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GPGSL S5 Race driver for IED.

He got banned. Bruninho = Senna. Long story.

Maybe the same reasons many brazilians dont want Massa to win is just the same as why so many british ppl dont want hamilton to win

not surprised a load of them burnt their mclaren merchandise after they saw what hamilton did in fuji





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I did not hear of anyone buring their mclaren stuff.

Neither did I. And I doubt it was a load of people.

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> or "I overtook Kimi because I was faster than him" are
> just adding fuel for people to dislike him.
>


But he was quicker...

I see your point though. In my mind, Hamilton is already champion coz as the rightful winner of the Belgian Grand Prix he should've been 13 points clear by now.

Red_Bull Wrote:
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> Bruninho Wrote:
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>
> > or "I overtook Kimi because I was faster than
> him" are
> > just adding fuel for people to dislike him.
> >
>
>
> But he was quicker...
>

Only because Kimi had lifted his foot.

If you watch his onboard, Kimi is braking wayyy before the 150m sign for the hairpin, an unusual thing for Kimi, and all of sudden his teammate gets ahead and braking late. They had even tried to cover it by choosing the place where most of the overtaking at Shanghai was happening to do it.

They usually did that in the main s/f straight (Melbourne 2000, Austria 2002, Indianapolis 2002) the exceptions are Hungary'06, Interlagos'07 and Shanghai'08.

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Of course Kimi backed off. Don't you see sarcasm? He even tried to point it out by posting a smiley...

Why do you take every opportunity to bash a driver you don't like, even if the post to whom you are respoonding is making a joke? It's annoying and unneeded.

They usually did that in the main s/f straight (Melbourne 2000, Austria 2002, Indianapolis 2002) the exceptions are Hungary'06, Interlagos'07 and Shanghai'08.

Exceptions? You mentioned 3 that support your argument, and 3 that do not. That is 50%, not an exception to the rule.

However, Austria 2002 was not done by Ferrari on the s/f. Rubens was making his point and lead the entire distance and chose to do it at the line to make his point. He got screwed and wanted to show it.

Indy 2002 was a screw up. Schumacher slowed too much, Rubens was too fast, and they swapped. You cannot claim team orders because the time they were separated by was so small that they couldn't possibly fix it.

Other "exceptions" to the 'rule' include Jerez 1997, and Monza 1994...

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DaveEllis Wrote:
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> They usually did that in the main s/f straight
> (Melbourne 2000, Austria 2002, Indianapolis 2002)
> the exceptions are Hungary'06, Interlagos'07 and
> Shanghai'08.
>
> Exceptions? You mentioned 3 that support your
> argument, and 3 that do not. That is 50%, not an
> exception to the rule.
>
> However, Austria 2002 was not done by Ferrari on
> the s/f. Rubens was making his point and lead the
> entire distance and chose to do it at the line to
> make his point. He got screwed and wanted to show
> it.
>
> Indy 2002 was a screw up. Schumacher slowed too
> much, Rubens was too fast, and they swapped. You
> cannot claim team orders because the time they
> were separated by was so small that they couldn't
> possibly fix it.
>
> Other "exceptions" to the 'rule' include Jerez
> 1997, and Monza 1994...


well, I know that i listed 3 of each, but I couldnt remember more. I just mentioned the ones I could remember.

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There is a big difference between swapping to maximise the points situation in the last few races, when one driver in the team is out of it, and swapping like Austria 2002, which was the 4th round of the year IIRC...



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and we all know how Max Mosley interprets "severe punishment"...



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lol true.

But still, why does this rule not mean anything?

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@Red Sam: but still, I condemn any form of team order, doesnt matter how, when or why.

Well, ask yourself the following,

You are leading the race with a few laps to go and your teammate, who is fighting for the WDC, needs to get past you and win the race to be crowned World Champion.

His rival is right behind in 3rd place and atm he's the virtual World Champion.

Your teammate is also driving 1-2 seconds quicker than you.

What would you do?

I obviously would NOT let him pass. Come on, you can say im not a team player, but this is racing, they are supposed to race for that, not to get it easily from their teammates! I have never seen racing as a "team sport" and I never will. I dont understand that mentality, its not a winning mentality either - there is always someone losing with that in your team and its not because they 'raced' for it.

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maybe, but imagine the outrage if Massa had stayed in the lead last year in Brazil, or Kimi had crashed trying to pass him. he is employed by ferrari, and he should have the team's interest in mind.

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So what are you all saying then, do you think massa should be given a penalty?

The only problem I had with it was the stupid thing massa said to the press, everyone could see how much kimi slowed down to let him pass.

I was hoping for a safety car to stop the move from taking place

Date: October 20, 2008 04:16PM
Posted by: marcl (IP Logged)

So what are you all saying then, do you think massa should be given a penalty?


That depends. Morally? Probably not. But the rules are black and white - what happened was completely illegal. But it gets ignored, and it gets ignored a lot. Then McLaren get investigated for telling the cars to stay put...so what is legal and whats "legal"?

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SchueyFan Wrote:
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> maybe, but imagine the outrage if Massa had stayed
> in the lead last year in Brazil, or Kimi had
> crashed trying to pass him.

I see nothing wrong in it, that's racing

> he is employed by
> ferrari, and he should have the team's interest in
> mind.

W-H-Y ?

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