Japanese Grand Prix Thread !!!***Spoilers***!!!

Bruninho Wrote:
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> Championship Prediction
>
> Hamilton with three second places, his rival wins
> three: 108x107, Hammy champion
>
> Hamilton with three third places, his rival with
> three wins: 102x107, his rival wins
>
> Raikkonen wins three, goes to 87, his teammate
> goes to 101 with three second places, and Hammy to
> 102 with three third places: Hammy champion
>
> Raikkonen wins three, goes to 87, his teammate
> with three third places up to 99, and Hammy to 107
> with three second places: Lewis champion
>
> Hamilton wins three, his rival gets three second
> places: Hammy champion with 114, 13 points more
> than his rival


Scenarios != Predictions

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I am going to be really pissed off if either kimi or kovy have to move over to let their team mates get extra points.

thats been going on ever since I started watching f1 (in 1998) and prob before that too.

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Nickv Wrote:
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> Nightraces are good now because they are special.
> The whole glamour part of a night race vaporizes
> when we have four or five of them per year, like
> Bernie wants.

Very true, but other than Monaco, I'm struggling to think of another track which would look so awesome at night than Suzuka. It just seems to suit it in every way. And we all know the Japanese know how to put on a show at night.

Nickv Wrote:
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> Nightraces are good now because they are special.
> The whole glamour part of a night race vaporizes
> when we have four or five of them per year, like
> Bernie wants.


night races are crap because they don't add nothing to the racing. What glamour? I don't see any glamour in night racing. It looked like a circus, and Ferrari indeed made it look even more like a circus with their clowns. Night racing may be good for IRL/NASCAR/LMS but, we are F1 ffs!

Seriously, it was the Safety car periods that mixed up the things there. Without a SC it would have been another boring procession and... the guys would be stuck behind the "Trulli Train". Terribly Boring.

The same is going to happen at Fuji if another monsoon like the 2007 one doesnt arrive there.

Hopefully Suzuka will find out that its too expensive to do it and they'll refuse to do a night race there.

Ironically, Mosley and teams are talking about cutting costs, campaigns like "Make cars green", painting tyres in green stripes... and yet they want to waste $$$ and kilowatts to lighten up tracks with 4x more light than simple stadiums. Hypocrites.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2008 08:04PM by Bruninho.

hehe imagine a night race in las vegas :P

btw, it does not look totally bad in Mclaren, IMO it's tolerable , btw i think if the green was metalic darker like Jaguar and in whole tyrewalls ( like champcar) it would have looked real good




also the horns seem to look better in Str than Rbr:








Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2008 08:21PM by Rodrigo007.

night races are crap because they don't add nothing to the racing. What glamour? I don't see any glamour in night racing.

No, it doesn't add anything to the racing itself. It does add something to the whole image of a race event. Something special, something that's never been done in F1. Something new. Specialness en newness do add to the whole event. F1 isn't only about the racing anymore, it's about the whole event, because that's where the money is made.

Night racing may be good for IRL/NASCAR/LMS but, we are F1 ffs!

Why exactly? Are you implying that IRL or NASCAR are just some other 'lower' racing series? That F1 is better and therefore shouldn't lower to the level of NASCAR?

Seriously, it was the Safety car periods that mixed up the things there. Without a SC it would have been another boring procession and... the guys would be stuck behind the "Trulli Train". Terribly Boring.

True. But that doesn't have to mean that night racing itself is bad. It happens on every track these days. I have yet to see a good race this year that didn't have either rain or a safety car in the race. I think it's not only down on the tracks though, but also the cars. I am therefore expecting a lot from next years cars.

I do agree with your last statement though. I too found it hypocritical.

Don't argue with Luca, Nick. He knows his stuff.

Nickv Wrote:
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> night races are crap because they don't add
> nothing to the racing. What glamour? I don't see
> any glamour in night racing.
>
> No, it doesn't add anything to the racing itself.
> It does add something to the whole image of a race
> event. Something special, something that's never
> been done in F1. Something new. Specialness en
> newness do add to the whole event. F1 isn't only
> about the racing anymore, it's about the whole
> event, because that's where the money is made.
>

bs. If you want something special in a race, ask for more overtaking. THEN IT'S a special race.

> Night racing may be good for IRL/NASCAR/LMS but,
> we are F1 ffs!
>
> Why exactly? Are you implying that IRL or NASCAR
> are just some other 'lower' racing series? That F1
> is better and therefore shouldn't lower to the
> level of NASCAR?
>

Yes.

> Seriously, it was the Safety car periods that
> mixed up the things there. Without a SC it would
> have been another boring procession and... the
> guys would be stuck behind the "Trulli Train".
> Terribly Boring.
>
> True. But that doesn't have to mean that night
> racing itself is bad. It happens on every track
> these days. I have yet to see a good race this
> year that didn't have either rain or a safety car
> in the race. I think it's not only down on the
> tracks though, but also the cars. I am therefore
> expecting a lot from next years cars.
>

Oh, for me, it means, yes, that night racing is crap. I blame 50-50 the tilkedromes and the cars. I hated the singapore track as a whole complete crap thing.

> I do agree with your last statement though. I too
> found it hypocritical.

Yes, and it gets even more hypocritical when they are removing Montreal from 09 calendar and adding another tilkedrome at Abu Dhabi to join singapore, sepang, bahrain, valencia... to name the worst ones.

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Bruninho schreef:
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> bs. If you want something special in a race, ask
> for more overtaking. THEN IT'S a special race.

That is a very wrong thought. Overtaking shouldn't be special, it's something what's racing's all about. When overtaking is common again next year (I hope) you will again say that races are boring, because you are satisfied in your need of overtaking. Every race will have the same grow of overtaking manouvres and that will take away the specialness. Result: again boring races.


> > Night racing may be good for IRL/NASCAR/LMS
> but,
> > we are F1 ffs!
> >
> > Why exactly? Are you implying that IRL or
> NASCAR
> > are just some other 'lower' racing series? That
> F1
> > is better and therefore shouldn't lower to the
> > level of NASCAR?
> >
>
> Yes.

That's again a very wrong thought. It's not like F1 is the only one with good ideas, can't other series have good ideas? I know you don't like night racing, but imagine that there is something totally wicked, awesome thing in NASCAR that you really like (no matter if that's the case now, just imagine), should F1 still not copy it because it's from NASCAR? If you really think that then you're very narrow minded.

> Oh, for me, it means, yes, that night racing is
> crap. I blame 50-50 the tilkedromes and the cars.
> I hated the singapore track as a whole complete
> crap thing.

You're blaming the cars and the track for a boring race, but your conclusion is that night racing's crap? Hmmm...

The thing with next year is, anyone could win. Sebastien Vettel may be a challenger for the title. Nobody knows. It's what makes F1 unique, that unpredicability.

Hope it rains at Fuji.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2008 09:01PM by msater.

I hope it doesn't. I want it to rain Friday and Saturday, but not on Sunday, because the teams haven't had a single dry day then in two weekends here. Should make the race good.

I also hope dry race, rain has messed this season already too many times even if it did gave us a new winner

What Nick said.

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I want rain. Even more than in the 2007 Fuji event or it will be a bore-fest for me again.

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Your idea of enjoyment stretches to Piquet getting on the podium at Germany. Please STFU and GTFO.

Weather forecast from formula1.com:

After the heat and humidity of Singapore, the weather will be decidedly cooler here in the shadow of Mount Fuji. Showers are anticipated both on Thursday and Friday, with ambient temperature highs of 20 and 22 degrees Celsius respectively. Thereafter it should be cloudy on Saturday and Sunday, with respective temperatures of 23 and 17 degrees.

Rain's a possibility, but would be good to see this run in the dry for once, and not the thunderstorms of last year.

British TV viewing times:

Live qualifying Saturday 11 October 0515-0715 ITV1 & itv.com/f1

Qualifying re-runs Saturday 11 October 1400-1600 ITV1
Sunday 12 October 1030-1230 ITV4

Live race Sunday 12 October 0430-0730 ITV1 & itv.com/f1

Race re-run Sunday 12 October 1500-1800 ITV1

Race highlights Sunday 12 October 2315-0015 ITV1

Highlights re-run Monday 13 October 1800-1900 ITV4

Stupidly early Sunday morning. Ah well, time to screw my bodyclock once again.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2008 11:10PM by turkey_machine.

Bruninho Wrote:
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> I want rain. Even more than in the 2007 Fuji event
> or it will be a bore-fest for me again.


You just want rain so massa can beat his record of 5 spins in a race

@Bruninho

I dont think much of what you say makes sense but your point on the costs is correct, to go on about cutting costs and going 'green' is just ridiculous when you hold night races burning ridiculous amounts of energy!!

But thats not to say I dont like the night races



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Bruninho schreef:
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> I want rain. Even more than in the 2007 Fuji event
> or it will be a bore-fest for me again.


more rain then 2007 means no race, no-one wants that.

sasjag Wrote:
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> This is on at that damn awkward time for me, where
> its slightly too late to stay up and watch, but
> way to early to justify going to bed and getting
> up for :\

I hear ya dude and my thoughts exactly, too late to stay up, too early to rise and shine. Maybe the best thing'd be to take few hours nap, set the alarm and then get cereals and coffee ready.

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