why is Massa such an unlikable fellow?

Bruninho Wrote:
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> I do hate him, and I expect that he will never be
> WC. Reasons?
>
> 1) Served as the #2 for a cheater in 2006. It was
> enough reason for me to dislike him. Demonstrates
> lack of will to win and lack of honesty.
>
> 2) He is an arrogant prick when hes here in
> Brazil. Like the other in a Honda, hes just
> looking friendly to the media to make such an
> image for the press. Demonstrates a false guy.
>
> 3) Lack of talent. He cannot drive in a wet race,
> yet alone drive a F1 car without Traction Control.
> A WC driver must be a complete all-round driver:
> fast, mentally strong, capable of smart and quick
> thinking on-track to take advantage of the
> circumstances, excellent wet-weather driving and
> ability to drive any car no matter how good or bad
> it is.
>
> 4) Never accepts when ppl blames him when
> something goes wrong - and when it happens, ITS
> HIS OWN FAULT, not OTHERS FAULT! The same with the
> Honda driver. They prefer to blame the car, the
> brakes, the track, the drivers, the marshalls, the
> world - but I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM BLAMING
> THEMSELVES FOR AN ERROR! It demonstrates that they
> arent humble enough to admit their errors when
> they do. Both also keep complaining, moaning and
> never get to work to sort out their problems.
>
> 5) Use of dirty tactics that he had learned with
> the cheater( vs Alonso @ Barcelona'07, vs Alonso @
> Nurburgring'07, vs Kubica @ Fuji'07 and vs DC @
> Melbourne'08 ). Again, lack of racing ethics.
>
> 6) Alonso and Kubica are aggressive, Jenson and
> Kimi are smooth, these are interesting things to
> watch. But he has nothing special to watch. Its
> just the car, give him a Honda and he will be
> nowhere near the current Honda drivers. Lacks the
> "entertaining factor".
>
> 7) How can the cheater be a confidence thing to
> him. He said that he only retired because he
> "didnt wanted to see his friend unemployed". How
> it helps his confidence? He needs the things to be
> working well for him to deliver. When the things
> are against him, he can't go against them and
> deliver. Lacks the ability to fight these things.
>
> 8) The TV Globo commentator praises him in the
> same way as James Allen does with Lewis. How can
> you like this guy with a such commentary?
>
> I do like Kimi (and I am cheering for him) and I
> do understand what chet means with his example of
> an exam. I am like these people, so he will
> probably hate me!

Why do we have 5yr olds posting here??

He's bloody quick for an untalented, average driver. I guess he must just be fluky. Because it's easy to win 2 races in a row and to get within grasp of the lead of the world championship by fluke. Hell, give me that car and I'll beat him easy.

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Aside from Bruninho's slightly irritating habit of never using anyone's real name, I don't see anything in his post which should draw that comment. He has posted his opinions, which is all we're entitled to do, and furthermore he has backed them all up with (his own special kind of) justification.

We may not agree with his opinions, and I gather that many people don't, but he's posted some points for discussion which have largely been responded to in an agreeable discursive manner.

If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, please don't post here.

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I got the impression last season that a lot of the Massa-bashers who suddenly came out of the woodwork were Kimi fans, and they didn't like their golden boy getting beaten.

One other reason might be frustration from the racing purist. I don't dislike the guy, but his drive at Silverstone certainly did irritate me. I was forever muttering to myself, "For God's sake, keep it in a straight line!" He's produced some flawless drives, but I can see how it's easy to develop a dislike for his occasionally amateurish style of racing.

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The thing with Senna is, he did it only once (1990) and it was for revenge (1989). He had the right to do it, he was robbed in the previous year in the same way. Thats how things works, you get what you deserve for doing such tactics - or at least for me, as I am a... "vengeful" person, if its the correct word.

No one has the right to risk another drivers life by causing a high speed accident on purpose.

As for Massa, I didn't used to particularly like him, but the past two seasons he has really grown on me. And he went right up in my opinion a few races ago when he was the only driver that would talk to Martin Brundle on the grid (can't remember which race, could have been Montreal).

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/28/2008 07:31PM by FRESCO.

FRESCO Wrote:
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> The thing with Senna is, he did it only once
> (1990) and it was for revenge (1989). He had the
> right to do it, he was robbed in the previous year
> in the same way. Thats how things works, you get
> what you deserve for doing such tactics - or at
> least for me, as I am a... "vengeful" person, if
> its the correct word.
>
> No one has the right to risk another drivers life
> by causing a high speed accident on purpose.

Dont say it to me, but yes to ballestre and prost...

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when he first got contracted by Sauber many did not know him and couldn't understand how they could hire such an unknown person ( he is one of the few drivers who didn't pass by any series linked to
England at the beginning of the career) this acknowledge lead ppl to doubt about this and altough he showed some competitive times for such a team he did bad with some own driver errors during first season and got dismissed by being "too much agressive/bold" (Peter's words) this fueled
highly these comments,

but what made some (same who laughed before) real angry ,is that Ferrari itself ended up giving him a second chance, these few (as most part of the ppl didn't even check into Felipe tbh, with
all justice during this time we had other most important figures to look than some weirdo rookie dude's destiny in F1) couldn't accept the fact. (that Scuderia banked him, and what would come to be a future seat in Ferrari was undeserved since he showed nothing in F1 to be there <---< [ but so we can say from Lewis])
despite this, it's when he started great improving and improving and keep going.


due the beginning of his career Felipe never had many ppl caring about him ... never had at least a normal amount of what we can nominate as fans ( infact very few ppl only), max he got were some small number who liked his person , but also not many haters. Back in 2006 ppl were still in most part indifferent to his results

(Tbh i think if Massa has 5% of fanbase compared to Kimi's it's already being optimistic.)

but much changed after the weekend of 2006 in Istanbul, what were signs of great improvement along the season turned into results with first victory.

Since then his evolution is growing more IMO exponential, with some bad races (that happens... but we cant say its not his fault anyways)

2008 is being a year we can see it better, till 2007 he had only 5 victories.

Now even with the season still going on he already scored 80% of his wins in all his career , there's still 6 races.



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Bruninho schrieb:
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> FRESCO Wrote:
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> > The thing with Senna is, he did it only once
> > (1990) and it was for revenge (1989). He had
> the
> > right to do it, he was robbed in the previous
> year
> > in the same way. Thats how things works, you
> get
> > what you deserve for doing such tactics - or at
> > least for me, as I am a... "vengeful" person,
> if
> > its the correct word.
> >
> > No one has the right to risk another drivers
> life
> > by causing a high speed accident on purpose.
>
> Dont say it to me, but yes to ballestre and
> prost...

of course there were and are a lot of drivers that risked other peoples lives by a hair raising maneuver. but: i think you could compare it with a murder. there is no way to justify it and only because others did it too the punishment for the next one won´t be less severe.

no driver who endangered other lives can justify it and that others did it too is no excuse.

you´re point of view corresponds with the old testament. eye for eye, tooth for tooth. we have overcome that. be careful when talking about ethics in the future.

Quoted for truth!

FRESCO Wrote:
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> No one has the right to risk another drivers life
> by causing a high speed accident on purpose.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

Massa is nothing like senna and this topic is not about senna.

Massa never backed up MS in some races he beat him.

Sorry but you can not make someone a dirty driver you either are or you are not, massa is not dirty at all. He is fair on he track and gives room sometimes to much.

If Lewis can not win this year I hope massa does, he is not as bad as people make out. yes he has made errors so did alonso, so did MS so did Mika senna kimi the lot.

If he wins this year he has earnt it.

Bruninho Wrote:
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> or at
> least for me, as I am a... "vengeful" person, if
> its the correct word.

Sometimes I really wonder if you're serious with these kinds of idiotic comments.

And I said same, but my message was deleted.. :/

Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?

RonnyF1 Wrote:
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> Bruninho Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > or at
> > least for me, as I am a... "vengeful" person,
> if
> > its the correct word.
>
> Sometimes I really wonder if you're serious with
> these kinds of idiotic comments.


its only idiotic for you because u didnt understood it. I said that when someone does something against me (like turning the car into me on purpose for example) i would do the same to him for revenge. some people do some not. simple as that.

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i quote myself:

n00binio schrieb:
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> you´re point of view corresponds with the old
> testament. eye for eye, tooth for tooth. we have
> overcome that.

I believe some people dislike Massa because of the Ferrari link and all the disrepute it has brought to F1 over many issues, and with Schumi still being there and him being close to Massa it definitely doesn't help him.

I dont know what it is, but his misery sustains me.

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Well I do not like him, simply beacause he is too common, nothing special. Just a regular F1 driver,
and I have no problems with regular (call it corporate dolls if you wish) drivers, as long as they are
below P3 (either, race, WDC, whatever) Those first three really should be characters. And Kimi, RK and FA
are characters, dressing like gorrila, punching reporters (not that i approve, but it gives them the special
flavour, afterall we do love villans, dont we) and Massa isnt villan. RK I love because he came from obscure
country that I can easily indentify with my own. And I know what it takes to emerge from the country like
that on the big screen. It takes guts, to risk everything knowing that there is 0.1% of chance that you
will suceed, not because of the lack of talent, but because of the enviroment. Here in Croatia we also had
a few promising talents, but beyond archaic Formula Opel-Lotus 2000cc is impossible to go. Economy is weak
and simply none can follow you finnancialy. Over in Brazil there is a different situation, since the whole
country is on the role of discovering new Emmo/Piquet/Senna. Comparing Massa to Kubica we simply have to feel
sympaty for the pole. Third driver that bears that character emblem is FA, grumpy, hard to deal with, yet
incredibly fast and reliable driver (2 times WDC, do not forget) Others apart from Rebels Weber and DC are
those that fit in with Massa in regular modern F1 drivers profile. And that is annoying, that just an average
driver could win WDC. It would be the same if Glock, Heidfeld, Piquet (uhmmm..) or Trulli would drive for
top team and chalenging for the title, we would feel the same as we do about Massa. We would be aware that they
are doing awesome job, but we simply just couldnt fall in love with them.

*I dismissed Hamilton on purpose because I really do not think anything about him, everything is so
artifical about that driver.

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Rodrigo007 Wrote:
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> (Tbh i think if Massa has 5% of fanbase compared
> to Kimi's it's already being optimistic.)


Online that may be the case, but all of the people that I know in person that watch F1 like Massa and can't stand Raikonnen.

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I have nothing against either driver, for me its the team. I did not like Ferrari before MS btw for me it goes all the way back to when I 1st started watching f1.

I just like to see Ferrari get beat and I dont really care who does it.

I dont mind Kimi and I dont mind Massa, Kimi anoys me as he used to be better when he cared. He did not drive well in 2006 and that has carried on really.

marcl Wrote:
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> I have nothing against either driver, for me its
> the team. I did not like Ferrari before MS btw
> for me it goes all the way back to when I 1st
> started watching f1.
>
> I just like to see Ferrari get beat and I dont
> really care who does it.
>
> I dont mind Kimi and I dont mind Massa, Kimi anoys
> me as he used to be better when he cared. He did
> not drive well in 2006 and that has carried on
> really.

Kimi did well in 2006, it was just that McLaren was a bad car, Kimi did way better than Juan and Pedro with that car.

His best race in 2006 was in barcelona, he drove superbly, only to finish 5th or so. Just shows how unfair this sport can be sometimes. 2006 Mclaren was slow car, you cannot say kimi didnt do well

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