Clever solution gives McLaren traction

Then there is no 'but'.

They are probably changing the map before the corner and not at the same time. Need to see in car footage really to judge.

But as people have said its not illegal and most drivers change engine maps in the race.

vesuvius Wrote:
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> DaveEllis Wrote:
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> > Sorry, but whats wrong here? Torque settings
> have
> > been around longer than most of the members of
> > this forum. All that has happened is they moved
> it
> > to a leaver so they can do 2 things in 1
> action.
> > That's not traction control at all.
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> yes but according to the rules you are not allowed
> to do changes to the enginemapping with the same
> clutch that handles gear changing but with these 2
> different clutch it's possible to change both
> gears and engine mapping at the very same time
> without using the same clutch.

Well not exactly, no. The car is not allowed to make changes to the engine map in the same process as changing gear. Basicly what that means is 1 leaver cannot do both those tasks.

McLaren does not have 1 leaver, it has 2. Just because the driver presses them at the same time, doesn't make that 1 process. It is 2 processes, engagded by the driver, with 2 seperate figures, on 2 seperate leavers, which both do 2 seperate operations.

It is completely legal.

It also is not traction control in any way, shape or form. The wheel speed is not measured or artificially slowed at all.

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surley a drivers right foot is alot more tc than this device!

Its a perfectly legal device and its not from the F2007 :p. Once again its Mclaren pioneering new technology/methods for various things. Go them! Lets hope the FIA dont intervene because its clearly giving them a good advantage!

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> surley a drivers right foot is alot more tc than
> this device!

You're joking I'm sure, but in some instances, yes, but a right foot can only dictate how harsh a power delivery is or isn't to a certain extent.

If this article is true, then good on McLaren for throwing a spanner in the works and actually developing something unique once more. It's not often it happens in F1 now.

Nice to see good innovation> Ferrari have been innovative with certain things, McLaren with others. However saying that, its McLaren, prepare too see this technique banned pretty promptly =/

so it started...



"In the report released after the race at Hockenheim, Jo Bauer, commissioner of FIA's technical body, says that the engine used by McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton will remain sealed to be subjected to an investigation before the GP of Hungary, held on August 3."



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2008 05:10AM by Rodrigo007.

Its just normal tbh the FIA are meant to do this from time to time to make sure its the same as the one supplied to them. But you would have thought they would check both engines and other teams as well.

so according to the rumours Lewis Hamilton used manually controlled traction control according to the stories above....will see what FIA will find .

same time Ferrari has found the reason what cause the lack of pace at Silverstone and Hockenheim ...they have now sacked the new suspension used at these races and gone back to the setups used at magny cours and have build a car with new parts step by step also they will soon test the new engine cover.

Changing engine maps is not the same as using TC maybe ferrari should have thought of it. Near enough all drivers do this after the start of the race anyway and when behind a safety and near the end of a race. The only way they could stop this is to not allow changing of the engine maps at all.

Its been in a place now for a number of races and its not the reason ferrari are so far behind them. Ferrari have gone the wrong way in development the same as last year.

And its being controlled by the driver the same as changing the brake balance before each corner.



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Here you go more on the story of engine checks.

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It has nothing to do with the engine map things.

Its an odd thing. Patrick Head said way back last year that TC could be simulated by playing with engine mappings. Now Macca have done just that in a very clever way that the other teams may not have realised the standard (Maclaren) ECU was capable of. Or have they modified the ECU?

Nico bites yer tyres!

I had totally forgotten that everyone is using the standard Mclaren-Microsoft ECU. Not saying it is why Mclaren are so good mind you as Ferrari have beaten Mclaren on a few occasions this year. Perhaps Mclaren have just found the sweet spot of the ECU.

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Or maybe mclaren has just imporved the car better than ferrari?

They are not doing anything illegal and are not even being told to not use the system.

Plus they probably checked with the FIA before anyway to avoid any problems.



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marcl Wrote:
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> Or maybe mclaren has just imporved the car better
> than ferrari?
>
> They are not doing anything illegal and are not
> even being told to not use the system.
>
> Plus they probably checked with the FIA before
> anyway to avoid any problems.


Definately McLaren has improved from the start of the season more than Ferrari but I still don't believe they are ahead of Ferrari...it takes more than 1 race to see that!

They were ahead in Canada, France we dont know tbh, Britain and Germany.

I would say they are ahead.

But is might just be the Ferrari drivers not getting the most out the car.

I fully expect mclaren to be on top in Hungry even with the not so good car in 2006 they were on top, and yes I know they did not win the race.



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marcl Wrote:
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> They were ahead in Canada, France we dont know
> tbh, Britain and Germany.
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> I would say they are ahead.
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> But is might just be the Ferrari drivers not
> getting the most out the car.
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> I fully expect mclaren to be on top in Hungry even
> with the not so good car in 2006 they were on top,
> and yes I know they did not win the race.

McLaren and Ferrari were similar on pace at Canada and Britain...only at Hockenheim Lewis was ahead clearly.

anyway I believe Hungary will be very close match and the one who gets the pole can win .

Lewis engine passed the test so that will shut a few people up now.

Flavio is making so many noises about engine changes so we know Merc have not changed their engine.

We do know Ferrari changed theirs at the start of the year to fix some problems will be very interesting to see what happens there, they were approved by the FIA though.