Hockenheim Grand Prix Vader-Land ***SPOILERS***

Yes i think Chetan may have missed the point

Iceman-Kimi Wrote:
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> Kimi was just behind Lewis when they made the
> wrong decision made,

true, but when kimi did end up on the right tyres Lewis was a lot faster than him.(hence he lapped him) I really don't see how anyone could claim kimi could have won that race.

infact the only way anyone else could have won that race was if Lewis threw it off the road.(i lost count of how many times the ferrari's ended up pointing in the wrong direction)

France, fair enough kimi was looking good until the exhaust problem and almost certainly would have won that race. however for as bad luck as it was he did finish 2nd don't forget, so he only dropped 2 points.

canada, Lewis was disappearing off into the distance prior to the safety car. ok we saw this weekend how a safety car can change a race, but given that they both went out at that point thats pretty much all we have to go on.

to be honest, its probably Lewis who lost out the most in france and canada(completely his own fault though).

he was looking good for the win in montreal prior to the safety car and the DNF, which then got him the penalty that destroyed any chance of a good result in france.

well about canada, prior to the safety car kimis car looked like it began to work and was posting fastest lap after fastest lap, and was closing into lewis quit fast, then with the safety car kimi came out in front of hamilton, so id think it would have been kimi to win that gp, but fair enough, no places for if in formula 1

In Canada Kimi was catching Lewis before the safety car, and in Britain, by the time Kimi had got onto the right tyres, Lewis had been round the track a number of times on the right ones, and got used to the conditions and the handling. Once Kimi had also got used to this, he was on the right pace and charged back through the pack.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2008 09:45AM by marwood82.

Iceman-Kimi Wrote:
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> well about canada, prior to the safety car kimis
> car looked like it began to work and was posting
> fastest lap after fastest lap, and was closing
> into lewis quit fast, then with the safety car
> kimi came out in front of hamilton, so id think it
> would have been kimi to win that gp, but fair
> enough, no places for if in formula 1


'if' is 'f1' spelt backwards as Murray used to say.

Webber has a point though, bitter or not - how can someone benefit from the SC rules that much that they have a shot of winning without overtaking ANY cars under normal race conditions?

Piquet continues to disappoint IMO. Massa even more tbh.



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It could have happened and I bet it has to anyone who since the saftey car came back.

You cant say its not fair on anyone or anything, sure he may not have deserved it but the fact is he was there, he was in the right place at the right time and lets be honest, isnt that 50% of F1 ???

I guess its almost the same as winning a championship without winning any races.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

chet Wrote:
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> It could have happened and I bet it has to anyone
> who since the saftey car came back.
>
> You cant say its not fair on anyone or anything,
> sure he may not have deserved it but the fact is
> he was there, he was in the right place at the
> right time and lets be honest, isnt that 50% of F1
> ???
>
> I guess its almost the same as winning a
> championship without winning any races.

Well, no, as to win the championship, you have to be good.

So was Keke Rosberg good when he won 1982 with a single race win?

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Well done for missing the point entirely.

Bruninho Wrote:
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> So was Keke Rosberg good when he won 1982 with a
> single race win?

Considering he was up against more competitive machinery with turbo engines, then yes.

he was good enough, but he had a lot of good luck, because the fasters cars in 1982 were the Ferraris, and Villeneuve died in Zolder and Pirone suffered a terrible accident in Hockenheim

gav Wrote:
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> chet Wrote:
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> > It could have happened and I bet it has to
> anyone
> > who since the saftey car came back.
> >
> > You cant say its not fair on anyone or
> anything,
> > sure he may not have deserved it but the fact
> is
> > he was there, he was in the right place at the
> > right time and lets be honest, isnt that 50% of
> F1
> > ???
> >
> > I guess its almost the same as winning a
> > championship without winning any races.
>
> Well, no, as to win the championship, you have to
> be good.


Yes you do, but it is entirley possible to become world champion without winning a single race isnt it. Its unlikley to ever happen but it can through events like Germany. Another example, what if Piquet were fighting for a championship and Germany was the final round, and he needed to be 2nd to win the championship, and thanks to an amazing turn of events ie like in Germany he found himself 2nd, despite never having the pace to be in that posistion realistically at any point during the race. If that were the case would he deserve the championship?

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Date: July 24, 2008 05:01PM
Posted by: Bruninho (IP Logged)

So was Keke Rosberg good when he won 1982 with a single race win?

Yes.

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chet Wrote:
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> Yes you do, but it is entirley possible to become
> world champion without winning a single race isnt
> it. Its unlikley to ever happen but it can through
> events like Germany. Another example, what if
> Piquet were fighting for a championship and
> Germany was the final round, and he needed to be
> 2nd to win the championship, and thanks to an
> amazing turn of events ie like in Germany he found
> himself 2nd, despite never having the pace to be
> in that posistion realistically at any point
> during the race. If that were the case would he
> deserve the championship?

Presumably, as championships require the ability to be good over a season on not 1 lucky race. Now if Germany '08 happened every race to the same driver....

Anyway, it was a dig at Piquet. Nothing more. Stop being so literal.

Expecting a better race from Piquet at Hungary, he's raced there before and not done too bad.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

chet Wrote:
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> Expecting a better race from Piquet at Hungary,
> he's raced there before and not done too bad.

Considering that his dad pwned Senna (once and only once time) there back in the good old days, seems to be some sort of lucky place for that family...

... but heh. I am expecting a good race from him too.

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He raced at monaco as well before and done rubbish there, plus a number of other tracks so I am expecting nothing much from him again.

Plus the renault is not meant to have good traction.

He did well in Germany dont get me wrong but he only ever passed 1 car the rest he passed in the pits even he says it was a lucky result.

Bruninho schreef:
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> chet Wrote:
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> > Expecting a better race from Piquet at Hungary,
> > he's raced there before and not done too bad.
>
> Considering that his dad pwned Senna (once and
> only once time) there back in the good old days,
> seems to be some sort of lucky place for that
> family...
>
> ... but heh. I am expecting a good race from him
> too.


You have been doing that for the full season and got satisfied only once, so don't expect too much