Hockenheim Grand Prix Vader-Land ***SPOILERS***

Chet...

Schumacher? a good driver?

Don't make me laugh.

The most overrated driver in F1 history, and he only got 7 titles by cheating and always driving the best car of the grid. With team orders and being protected behind his #1 status @ Ferrari. His teammates @ Ferrari certainly could beat him had they allowed them to race him.

Put him in a Force India, without team orders, without #1 status, or in Heikki's MP4-23 under the same conditions if you want to prove that he's good. I bet he's not. He's unable to fight anyone who has the same car...

Ferrari doesnt miss him, they miss strategists with brains... and don't even mention Ross Brawn, Honda screwed up what could have been a Honda 2-3 with JB ahead @ Silverstone if they hadnt called both drivers to pit ON THE SAME LAP, thus leaving JB waiting behind his turtle teammate!

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Bruninho Wrote:
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> Chet...
>
> Schumacher? a good driver?
>
> Don't make me laugh.
>
> The most overrated driver in F1 history, and he
> only got 7 titles by cheating and always driving
> the best car of the grid. With team orders and
> being protected behind his #1 status @ Ferrari.
> His teammates @ Ferrari certainly could beat him
> had they allowed them to race him.
>
> Put him in a Force India, without team orders,
> without #1 status, or in Heikki's MP4-23 under the
> same conditions if you want to prove that he's
> good. I bet he's not. He's unable to fight anyone
> who has the same car...
>
> Ferrari doesnt miss him, they miss strategists
> with brains... and don't even mention Ross Brawn,
> Honda screwed up what could have been a Honda 2-3
> with JB ahead @ Silverstone if they hadnt called
> both drivers to pit ON THE SAME LAP, thus leaving
> JB waiting behind his turtle teammate!


Lol, somehow each post you make is stupider than the last.

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Bruninho schreef:
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> Chet...
>
> Schumacher? a good driver?
>
> Don't make me laugh.
>
> The most overrated driver in F1 history, and he
> only got 7 titles by cheating and always driving
> the best car of the grid. With team orders and
> being protected behind his #1 status @ Ferrari.
> His teammates @ Ferrari certainly could beat him
> had they allowed them to race him.
>
> Put him in a Force India, without team orders,
> without #1 status, or in Heikki's MP4-23 under the
> same conditions if you want to prove that he's
> good. I bet he's not. He's unable to fight anyone
> who has the same car...
>
> Ferrari doesnt miss him, they miss strategists
> with brains... and don't even mention Ross Brawn,
> Honda screwed up what could have been a Honda 2-3
> with JB ahead @ Silverstone if they hadnt called
> both drivers to pit ON THE SAME LAP, thus leaving
> JB waiting behind his turtle teammate!


Can't you just stop polluting this forum with your endless rants about MS and Massa and Barrichello and how awesome the real crap drivers are?

Bruninho Wrote:
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> Chet...
>
> Schumacher? a good driver?
>
> Don't make me laugh.
>
> The most overrated driver in F1 history, and he
> only got 7 titles by cheating and always driving
> the best car of the grid. With team orders and
> being protected behind his #1 status @ Ferrari.
> His teammates @ Ferrari certainly could beat him
> had they allowed them to race him.
>
> Put him in a Force India, without team orders,
> without #1 status, or in Heikki's MP4-23 under the
> same conditions if you want to prove that he's
> good. I bet he's not. He's unable to fight anyone
> who has the same car...
>
> Ferrari doesnt miss him, they miss strategists
> with brains... and don't even mention Ross Brawn,
> Honda screwed up what could have been a Honda 2-3
> with JB ahead @ Silverstone if they hadnt called
> both drivers to pit ON THE SAME LAP, thus leaving
> JB waiting behind his turtle teammate!


Haha.. glad that fantastic V8 Benetton Ford was so superior against the Ferrari V12's and Williams Renault V10's.

Yet again... I await another shipment of failure from your comments!!!

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2013 - Nando must come through..

Bruninho Wrote:
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> Chet...
>
> Schumacher? a good driver?
>
> Don't make me laugh.
>
> The most overrated driver in F1 history, and he
> only got 7 titles by cheating and always driving
> the best car of the grid. With team orders and
> being protected behind his #1 status @ Ferrari.
> His teammates @ Ferrari certainly could beat him
> had they allowed them to race him.
>
> Put him in a Force India, without team orders,
> without #1 status, or in Heikki's MP4-23 under the
> same conditions if you want to prove that he's
> good. I bet he's not. He's unable to fight anyone
> who has the same car...
>
> Ferrari doesnt miss him, they miss strategists
> with brains... and don't even mention Ross Brawn,
> Honda screwed up what could have been a Honda 2-3
> with JB ahead @ Silverstone if they hadnt called
> both drivers to pit ON THE SAME LAP, thus leaving
> JB waiting behind his turtle teammate!

Says the piquet supporter lol.

Found quite a nice article. It's in Dutch though, so I'll translate:

Webber thinks safety-car rules are a joke

Mark Webber has once again critized the current safety-car rules. He says it's ridiculous that someone who started 17th nearly won the race.

'Thanks to the SC we have got a bizar result. The SC rules are a joke. I'm happy for Nelson, but the F1 needs better SC rules. It looks very amaturistic when someone who starts from P17 and overtakes just one car in the whole race (Nakajima, who spun) can nearly win the race.'

'Nelson should be the first to admit his second place wasn't really well deserved. None of the drivers like the current system. We don't like results that aren't a resemblence of speed.'

F1 isnt soley about the drivers speed, its about the teams performance as a whole, and as it happened, Renault and Piquets strategy worked nicely with the saftey, lucky yes but thats F1, things have been like this for years!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

marcl Wrote:
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> tbh if you listen to what mclaren and people are
> saying they have had the better car since canada
> and could not show the true pace in France due to
> the penalty.
>
> The only problem they might have in Hungry is
> making the tyres last but ferrari are on the back
> foot now and with the testing ban starting soon
> are in @#$%&.


not the full true...like said by Kimi Ferrari has gone backwards and a lot ...they were slower than Toyota at the beginning of the race!and you can see from their onboard cameras that their cars are sliding everywhere there is no grip at all and at silverstone Ferrari was as fast as McLaren . last year Ferrari had slow speed at USA and Canada and this year at Hockenheim...so they can be a stronger once at Hungary. McLaren isn't as dominant it seems we will see it soon.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/22/2008 02:15PM by vesuvius.

Slower than Toyota ?? Massa certainly wasnt, Kimi just couldnt get passed that was all

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Is some posts meant to be funny, or is something wrong with some people.

Anyway, this was (by my opinion) the best performance by Lewis so far. Totally superior which reminds me on some older superior performance by some drivers (I will not say which, because I dont want endless discussions is it that good/best driver or it was luck).
I had feeling that Lewis may win with last place on grid. Even wrong desition from pit wall isnt make difference by his pace.

chet Wrote:
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> Slower than Toyota ?? Massa certainly wasnt, Kimi
> just couldnt get passed that was all


Kimi didn't had the speed until the very end...also Felipe's speed at the beginning was slow.

and btw Kimi should have won canada, france and silverstone if there wouldn't have been small mistakes,Hamilton and mechanical failure one race doesn't change the order ...yes currently Hamilton leads standings but I still belive Ferrari is there too figthing till the end ....no car can be over 0,5 seconds lap faster in next race just because of few new parts.

Bruninho schrieb:
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> Chet...
>
> Schumacher? a good driver?
>
> Don't make me laugh.
>
> The most overrated driver in F1 history, and he
> only got 7 titles by cheating and always driving
> the best car of the grid. With team orders and
> being protected behind his #1 status @ Ferrari.
> His teammates @ Ferrari certainly could beat him
> had they allowed them to race him.
>
> Put him in a Force India, without team orders,
> without #1 status, or in Heikki's MP4-23 under the
> same conditions if you want to prove that he's
> good. I bet he's not. He's unable to fight anyone
> who has the same car...
>
> Ferrari doesnt miss him, they miss strategists
> with brains... and don't even mention Ross Brawn,
> Honda screwed up what could have been a Honda 2-3
> with JB ahead @ Silverstone if they hadnt called
> both drivers to pit ON THE SAME LAP, thus leaving
> JB waiting behind his turtle teammate!

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Um dois três quatro cinco seis sete oito nove dez
Eins zwei drei vier fünf sechs sieben acht neun zehn
One two three four five six seven eight nine ten
Один два три четыре пять шесть семь восемь девять десять



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/22/2008 02:30PM by Lex.

casabonka Wrote:
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> Haha.. glad that fantastic V8 Benetton Ford was so
> superior against the Ferrari V12's and Williams
> Renault V10's.
>
> Yet again... I await another shipment of failure
> from your comments!!!

They were superior in 1994...

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"Your doing it wrong!"

lol!

vesuvius Wrote:
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>
> Kimi didn't had the speed until the very
> end...also Felipe's speed at the beginning was
> slow.
>
> and btw Kimi should have won canada, france and
> silverstone if there wouldn't have been small
> mistakes,Hamilton and mechanical failure one
> race doesn't change the order ...yes currently
> Hamilton leads standings but I still belive
> Ferrari is there too figthing till the end ....no
> car can be over 0,5 seconds lap faster in next
> race just because of few new parts.


Massa was slow, but he was not slower than the toyota.

He should have won Canada? Who knows, and Silverstone???? C'mon, like I said before he got overtaken by Jenson!! Anyone who gets overtaken by that Honda does not deserve to win a race lol. Kimi was nowhere at Silverstone, at least nowhere compared to Lewis. France is a different matter, Kimi had his win stolen from him, but Canada and Britain, no way. For Canada its impossible to say and it doesnt matter anyway because Kimi NOR Lewis finished.

edit - read Daves post in the trophy thread ( i think ) the one with the IFs and should haves?

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/22/2008 02:36PM by chet.

Nickv Wrote:
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> Found quite a nice article. It's in Dutch though,
> so I'll translate:
>
> Webber thinks safety-car rules are a joke
>
> Mark Webber has once again critized the current
> safety-car rules. He says it's ridiculous that
> someone who started 17th nearly won the race.
>
> 'Thanks to the SC we have got a bizar result. The
> SC rules are a joke. I'm happy for Nelson, but the
> F1 needs better SC rules. It looks very
> amaturistic when someone who starts from P17 and
> overtakes just one car in the whole race
> (Nakajima, who spun) can nearly win the race.'
>
> 'Nelson should be the first to admit his second
> place wasn't really well deserved. None of the
> drivers like the current system. We don't like
> results that aren't a resemblence of speed.'

Webber is just jealous because Piquet had the luck and skill for it, and Webber doesnt have. And hes the most cursed driver in F1 history...

He wouldnt be saying this bs if it was him there instead of Piquet.

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chet Wrote:
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> "Your doing it wrong!"
>
> lol!
>
> vesuvius Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Kimi didn't had the speed until the very
> > end...also Felipe's speed at the beginning was
> > slow.
> >
> > and btw Kimi should have won canada, france and
> > silverstone if there wouldn't have been small
> > mistakes,Hamilton and mechanical failure one
> > race doesn't change the order ...yes currently
> > Hamilton leads standings but I still belive
> > Ferrari is there too figthing till the end
> ....no
> > car can be over 0,5 seconds lap faster in next
> > race just because of few new parts.
>
>
> Massa was slow, but he was not slower than the
> toyota.
>
> He should have won Canada? Who knows, and
> Silverstone???? C'mon, like I said before he got
> overtaken by Jenson!! Anyone who gets overtaken by
> that Honda does not deserve to win a race lol.
> Kimi was nowhere at Silverstone, at least nowhere
> compared to Lewis. France is a different matter,
> Kimi had his win stolen from him, but Canada and
> Britain, no way. For Canada its impossible to say
> and it doesnt matter anyway because Kimi NOR Lewis
> finished.
>
> edit - read Daves post in the trophy thread ( i
> think ) the one with the IFs and should haves?


LOL Kimi got overtaken by Jenson because he had wrong tyres that were 5-7 seconds slower than the rest of the field had! and yes Kimi had the speed and the strategy to win the race of canada but we will never know it and it doesn't matter what happened in the past only what will happend in the future and I don't think Lewis will win at Hungary



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/22/2008 02:41PM by vesuvius.

Bruninho schreef:
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> Nickv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Found quite a nice article. It's in Dutch
> though,
> > so I'll translate:
> >
> > Webber thinks safety-car rules are a joke
> >
> > Mark Webber has once again critized the current
> > safety-car rules. He says it's ridiculous that
> > someone who started 17th nearly won the race.
> >
> > 'Thanks to the SC we have got a bizar result.
> The
> > SC rules are a joke. I'm happy for Nelson, but
> the
> > F1 needs better SC rules. It looks very
> > amaturistic when someone who starts from P17
> and
> > overtakes just one car in the whole race
> > (Nakajima, who spun) can nearly win the race.'
> >
> > 'Nelson should be the first to admit his second
> > place wasn't really well deserved. None of the
> > drivers like the current system. We don't like
> > results that aren't a resemblence of speed.'
>
> Webber is just jealous because Piquet had the luck
> and skill for it, and Webber doesnt have. And hes
> the most cursed driver in F1 history...
>
> He wouldnt be saying this bs if it was him there
> instead of Piquet.

Skills? You must have a lot of skills to overtake a spun car!

chet schreef:
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> "Your doing it wrong!"
>
> lol!
>
> vesuvius Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Kimi didn't had the speed until the very
> > end...also Felipe's speed at the beginning was
> > slow.
> >
> > and btw Kimi should have won canada, france and
> > silverstone if there wouldn't have been small
> > mistakes,Hamilton and mechanical failure one
> > race doesn't change the order ...yes currently
> > Hamilton leads standings but I still belive
> > Ferrari is there too figthing till the end
> ....no
> > car can be over 0,5 seconds lap faster in next
> > race just because of few new parts.
>
>
> Massa was slow, but he was not slower than the
> toyota.
>
> He should have won Canada? Who knows, and
> Silverstone???? C'mon, like I said before he got
> overtaken by Jenson!! Anyone who gets overtaken by
> that Honda does not deserve to win a race lol.
> Kimi was nowhere at Silverstone, at least nowhere
> compared to Lewis. France is a different matter,
> Kimi had his win stolen from him, but Canada and
> Britain, no way. For Canada its impossible to say
> and it doesnt matter anyway because Kimi NOR Lewis
> finished.
>
> edit - read Daves post in the trophy thread ( i
> think ) the one with the IFs and should haves?


Kimi was just behind Lewis when they made the wrong decision made, the only reason he got overtaken by Jenson was becouse Jens was on full wets, kimi on intermediates at the moment the track was changing into a swimming pool, Barri and Jenson where fastest on track, becouse they where the only ones on full wets, but that doesnt mean the 18 other drivers are crap and Jens and Rubens are great and superb?