Vettel joins redbull for 2009

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fairly predictable i suppose, but interesting that they've gone for him this quickly. thought they may leave it a month or 2 as they seemed to be talking up their chances of landing alonso.


maybe this opens the door for bruno to take his place.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2008 02:20PM by marwood82.

definitely not unexpected, but congratulations to sebastian. however, many of his good performances have been in the rain or with lucky strategies, so i hopefully he can have a strong performance in the dry this season to prove his worth

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If they could have had Alonso, and if Alonso would have gone to them then this was a bad choice, however if neither side could agree then I guess its not bad. But Vettel has yet to show consistant pace to suggest he is a star. RedBull obviously think so, and I guess they know better than us, but he has been matched by Bourdais is not a bad driver by any means, but we all expected Vettel to be alot better didnt we?

He will get trounced by Webber next season, I like the guy he seems like a nice person, but I seriously hope he gets destroyed by Mark :p!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

And i seriously hope that Mark gets destroyed by Vettel so we'll finally see him retiring

C'mon, whats good in Webber? he's not fast, he's not good in car development stuff, he's old and does silly mistakes when hes in position to score podiums. Webber was a cry-baby if i remember well (Jaguar, Williams)... He's just another Fisichella/Trulli, but the difference is that they won a race, Webber didnt.

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Bruninho Wrote:
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> And i seriously hope that Mark gets destroyed by
> Vettel so we'll finally see him retiring
>
> C'mon, whats good in Webber? he's not fast, he's
> not good in car development stuff, he's old and
> does silly mistakes when hes in position to score
> podiums. Webber was a cry-baby if i remember well
> (Jaguar, Williams)... He's just another
> Fisichella/Trulli, but the difference is that they
> won a race, Webber didnt.


Wow. You really are an idiot.

He proved he is still quick at Silverstone. Did you not notice that 2nd place starting position?

He has just been unlucky, like at Fiji last yeah when Vettel ran into the back of him.

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matt3454 Wrote:
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> Bruninho Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And i seriously hope that Mark gets destroyed
> by
> > Vettel so we'll finally see him retiring
> >
> > C'mon, whats good in Webber? he's not fast,
> he's
> > not good in car development stuff, he's old and
> > does silly mistakes when hes in position to
> score
> > podiums. Webber was a cry-baby if i remember
> well
> > (Jaguar, Williams)... He's just another
> > Fisichella/Trulli, but the difference is that
> they
> > won a race, Webber didnt.
>
>
> Wow. You really are an idiot.
>
> He proved he is still quick at Silverstone. Did
> you not notice that 2nd place starting position?
>
> He has just been unlucky, like at Fiji last yeah
> when Vettel ran into the back of him.

Wow. you are really an idiot.

Nothing against him or australians, I suppose you are an australian, but I was just saying that Webber performances never impressed me plus I can't see whats good in him, so i asked for someone to point the good things. He might be a good bloke to meet. So? F1 demands results, not friendly drivers.

He started 2nd so what? He screwed it up on lap 1. Brilliant. All that useless work for nothing.

It's the race results that matters. Not qualifying positions.

He has been unlucky in an uncountable number of races. Monaco in a Williams, Fuji in a RBR, Silverstone in a RBR...

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2008 08:02PM by Bruninho.

i agree with Bruninho on this one... webber is a waste of space... always has been, always will be

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Bruninho Wrote:
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> C'mon, whats good in Webber? he's not fast, he's
> not good in car development stuff, he's old and
> does silly mistakes when hes in position to score
> podiums.

what do you base that on?

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X (@ed24f1)

SchueyFan Wrote:
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> Bruninho Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > C'mon, whats good in Webber? he's not fast,
> he's
> > not good in car development stuff, he's old and
> > does silly mistakes when hes in position to
> score
> > podiums.
>
> what do you base that on?


What he did at Jaguar? Nothing, moaned about the car. Did it improved? No

What he did at Williams? Nothing, moaned about the car. Did it improved? No

At RBR he is more 'low profile' now in this aspect (moaning), he doesnt moan that much (seems to have learned the lesson) but let's face it, its all down to DC's work in testing.

It will be proved after DC's departure... Vettel is good in developing a car.

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"He has been unlucky in an uncountable number of races. Monaco in a Williams, Fuji in a RBR, Silverstone in a RBR..."

And so far Vettel has achieved what exactly? He's struggled to get past lap 1 at most races so far this season by putting his car in positions it didn't need to be. You'd think once you'd been taken out once on lap one you'd learn from it.

Do you watch differnt GP's to the rest of us?

And no, I am no fan of Webbers before you ask I think he's overrated too, but he does every no and then ring the neck of the car and out drive it. Yet to see that more than once from Vettel

Like Chet pointed out, he's even been matched by Bourdais on more than one occasion and not many of us predicted that pre-season did we

Bruninho... Of this time we agree, Webber are very weak!

Damas Wrote:
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> "He has been unlucky in an uncountable number of
> races. Monaco in a Williams, Fuji in a RBR,
> Silverstone in a RBR..."
>
> And so far Vettel has achieved what exactly? He's
> struggled to get past lap 1 at most races so far
> this season by putting his car in positions it
> didn't need to be. You'd think once you'd been
> taken out once on lap one you'd learn from it.
>
> Do you watch differnt GP's to the rest of us?
>
> And no, I am no fan of Webbers before you ask I
> think he's overrated too, but he does every no and
> then ring the neck of the car and out drive it.
> Yet to see that more than once from Vettel
>
> Like Chet pointed out, he's even been matched by
> Bourdais on more than one occasion and not many of
> us predicted that pre-season did we

But Vettel is young, fast and can develop a car. Things that Webber does not have.

[ironic]Bourdais is yet to find where the throttle pedal of his STR is located...[/ironic] he was quite useless to listen on radio at Sepang: "The car is so bad that bottoming is the smallest of our problems" not much useful eh?

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I think that Webber is one of those drivers who will always finish in the points, but never really anywhere else. But when he's quick... he is VERY quick, 2nd on the grid in both a Jaguar (very impressive) and a Red Bull. But the problem is that those races where he is very quick do not happen very often.

Vettel seems to be the same with me, but seeing as he's younger, there's much more to build on and he has a load of potential.

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flat tyre Wrote:
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> I think that Webber is one of those drivers who
> will always finish in the points, but never really
> anywhere else. But when he's quick... he is VERY
> quick, 2nd on the grid in both a Jaguar (very
> impressive) and a Red Bull. But the problem is
> that those races where he is very quick do not
> happen very often.
>
> Vettel seems to be the same with me, but seeing as
> he's younger, there's much more to build on and he
> has a load of potential.

Exactly.

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Webber's not fast? Hmm. I suspect Rosberg may have something to say about that. If he has anything, then it's raw speed. There's not many out there faster than him in my opinion. By many, I mean 2, and both are tied for the title lead. His race craft isn't as strong as his raw pace, but that doesn't make his race craft bad - just not spectacular.

He'll never win a title, but in the right car, he'd win plenty of races, regardless of who his teammate was.

The cars he drove did improve. Of course they did. But other teams weren't standing still waiting on it... until Red Bull, the only cars he'd driven have had the lowest budgets in the sport. That should say more than enough.

He's also as honest as they come. That might make him come across as a bit of a moaner or a bore, and perhaps it's stops him having the killer mentality, but it's refreshing in a sport full of bullshit and politics. The sport is far better off with him than without him.

You said a naughty word and the forum didnt catch it :p

But yes agreed, he's is like Trulli imo.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

I think Gav sums up Webber best. He's certainly not imminent championship material, but on his day he is bloody quick, and in the right car on the right day could win races.

I like his no nonsense attitude.

Bruninho Wrote:
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> matt3454 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bruninho Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And i seriously hope that Mark gets destroyed
> > by
> > > Vettel so we'll finally see him retiring
> > >
> > > C'mon, whats good in Webber? he's not fast,
> > he's
> > > not good in car development stuff, he's old
> and
> > > does silly mistakes when hes in position to
> > score
> > > podiums. Webber was a cry-baby if i remember
> > well
> > > (Jaguar, Williams)... He's just another
> > > Fisichella/Trulli, but the difference is that
> > they
> > > won a race, Webber didnt.
> >
> >
> > Wow. You really are an idiot.
> >
> > He proved he is still quick at Silverstone. Did
> > you not notice that 2nd place starting
> position?
> >
> > He has just been unlucky, like at Fiji last
> yeah
> > when Vettel ran into the back of him.
>
> Wow. you are really an idiot.
>
> Nothing against him or australians, I suppose you
> are an australian, but I was just saying that
> Webber performances never impressed me plus I
> can't see whats good in him, so i asked for
> someone to point the good things. He might be a
> good bloke to meet. So? F1 demands results, not
> friendly drivers.
>
> He started 2nd so what? He screwed it up on lap 1.
> Brilliant. All that useless work for nothing.
>
> It's the race results that matters. Not qualifying
> positions.
>
> He has been unlucky in an uncountable number of
> races. Monaco in a Williams, Fuji in a RBR,
> Silverstone in a RBR...

To say hes carp because he spun in silverstone is also saying that the whole field is carp because mostly all of them spun apart from hamilton who cut the chicane.

Im not saying that he is ahead of the field would be a lie as he is not as good as Raikkonen, Alonso, Hamilton. But he is still fast enough to stick a Ferrari or Mclaren on the front row at most grand prix.

I am also not from Australia, completely the opposite England.

But I have no bias in F1 now Schumacher has retired (Still, Ferrari are my least favourite team.)

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Bruninho Wrote:
>
> It's the race results that matters. Not qualifying
> positions.

Results matter? Webber has scored 18 points in the first nine grand prix, that's six points finishes out of nine. For a team like Red Bull that is great, what they need is consistent points, which is what Mark is giving them.

He made a mistake at Silverstone, but so did plenty of other drivers.

I like Webber, I think he is underrated, he is most definitely quick and he is certainly doing a good job at RBR.

Glad with Vettel signing on, think he is definitely one for the future. He's put in some impressive performances for STR and he is still only 21 and learning.

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Webber been getting a free pass since he started in 2002 with Minardi and scored some points. Since then all we've ever heard is how quick he is, what a great qualifier, etc etc. He is without a doubt the most overrated driver in F1.

Without fail he throws away his good grid positions in every race. His silly floundering about on lap 1 at Silverstone was simply an embarrassment to Red Bull and every fan of the team. Even in the dry you can bet that if he started in the top 5 he most likely isn't going to finish there.

As a Red Bull fan I am ready to see him move on.

As to Vettel, hardly a surprise, but I wonder if the shine will wear off him as quickly as it has Sutil?



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