Canadian GP Thread ***SPOILERS***

Well done to Kubica, BMW and DC. Excellent stuff.

vesuvius Wrote:
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> marcl Wrote:
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> > Massa was so good today as well his passing of
> > cars was good and cheeky not seen that in ages.
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> > As for piquet another not so good race i bet
> > renault were worried when he was behind alonso.
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> Massa was so out and so slow all weekend, he had
> no speed at all compared to Kimi who most likely
> lost a possible win today.

No speed at all? until Q3 Massa was more likely to beat Hamilton than Kimi. He did a great job in the race, great overtaking and overall did quite well given the circumstances. There's no need to always trash his teammates to make Kimi look better.

IMO HE IS WAY better than Massa and probably the fastest driver in the grid but man.. why you kimifans rarely make objective observations... all you ever do is bash his teammates or make up excuses when he doesn't win every single race.

It's hilarious how biased you boys are.

Back on topic... Kubica, Kubica what a race!!! excellent job, well deserved. As many others I kinda feel sorry for Nick but it had to be done. Alonso looked like he was on BMW's pace until he spun which shows Renaults are getting better and better. I think Kimi could have won this one easily, he was going really fast, it's a real shame. Heikki is wasting the Mclaren's car potential, I don't know why some people rate him so high, he seems pretty average.

RonnyF1 Wrote:
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> It's hilarious how biased you boys are.

I think that's a really big generalization. I'm a Kimi fan, but I always criticize when he does crap. I do think that the non-Kimi fans overreact a bit too much against him for whatever reason. Kimi is definitely not the driver he was in 2005, but out of the title contenders, he is the one with the best potential to win the championship. I'm not including Kubica on this though, cause we don't know how BMW will cope from now on...if they give him a better car that can challenge Ferrari on a more consistent basis, then I think he is the one everyone should be worried about.

I do know though that Kimi was the fastest man on track by the time the safety car came out. He was about 7 tenths faster than Kubica, and would probably pass him sooner or later. Had Hamilton not crashed into him, the race would be very much in the bag.

Massa was appaling on Q3, and his race was not that good. People are forgetting that he was for the entire race passing cars that are 1 second or more slower than him.

Indeed generally Kimi fanboys are the ones most likely to be incredibly biased, at least in these forums. I generally agree with your posts with a few exceptions, but you have to admit that it's really getting out of hand with most of your fellow fans.

Yes, I think so. But then, Kimi's fan base is not that big, so most fans try to defend him as best as they can. Nobody likes to see their idols getting crap, hehe. I admit that I'm guilty of sometimes exaggerating a bit too, but that's mostly out of my personal dislike against Massa than anything else. When Massa started in Ferrari, the media here was already raving and saying how he would be champion soon, that the team loved him and would back him 100%. His attitude doesn't help either. Whenever he makes a mistake, he never once admits it, and he has done some crap on his business life too that I just can't swallow.

Anyway, that's just my view. Other Kimi fans do exaggerate and should calm down a bit, heh. I just wish Kimi would collect his mind and go back to being the driver he was in 2005. With the present field, I don't think anybody would really stand a chance.

sorry if i have missed part of the discussion, but of course hamilton would swerve. it would be instinctive to swerve instead of just going straight on i think. his comments afterwards were pretty terrible as well

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X (@ed24f1)

in monaco kimi hit sutil in the rear, now hamilton hit kimi in the rear.... kimi get one back

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I can't see how you can blame Lewis for what is essentially a major oversight by McLaren. Lewis wouldn't have seen that red light from where he was, the team schould have let him know. And remember that his is the last pit box in the pit lane, so he would have driven straight out of his garage into Kimi's rear wing. No chance to latch on to what was happening.

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What about this "forbidden" idea: Did Hamilton aim at Raikkonen?
He could just as well turned to the right and hit Kubica, but he'd rather take Raikkonen out of the race.

I'm sure that if it would have been Schumacher hitting a McLaren, everyone would have said that he aimed at that car.

Just a feeling that I have.

Lewis is in pit box 5 kimi is in the one at the end, so its kimi who had the straight line out.

What I do find strange is how long it took the field to get round the 2 corners.

They were all behind the safety car which I have to say was driving really really slow. Alot pitted I just dont see why the field was not passed by the time kimi an that lot were ready to exit. I think some drivers were just going a bit to slow and were not bunched up.

Locke Cole Wrote:
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> I can't see how you can blame Lewis for what is
> essentially a major oversight by McLaren. Lewis
> wouldn't have seen that red light from where he
> was, the team schould have let him know. And
> remember that his is the last pit box in the pit
> lane, so he would have driven straight out of his
> garage into Kimi's rear wing. No chance to latch
> on to what was happening.


i would agree here., but just to some point, i mean, sure, Mclaren should've told Hamilton that the light was red, but for sure they already told him to watch the light before the race, this, is a circuit that every year creates a SC situation, so i'm sure Mclaren being the team that it is, every year prepare well for this kind of situations, so should the drivers as well, and he knew that because he even sayed it before the race!

sometimes the team can't do everything for the driver, it's also up to them to be aware!, and it cost Montoya a black flag in 2005, so i'm sure Mclaren get their drivers well prepared to prevent from happening again... but sadly it did!

Bruninho Wrote:
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> have some nice laughs!
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LOOL great video...
look at the stewards at 2:01 on the left side of the screen in the wall.. one of them can't believe what just happened, probably was cheering for Kimi!

Seeing that replay again the gap the cars on the track were leaving between them selves is stupid there is a 8 car gap between some of them that should not happen and the race stewards need to speak to the drivers.

I remember when they could come back out on track after their pit stop did this change due to the MS and HHF problem?

Alonso, what a numpty! Although his race was already ruined being stuck behind Heidfeld. But its nice to see that Renault are finally getting their car sorted, so hopefully he can challenge for podiums, or at least be definate best of the rest for the remainder of the season.

I cant beleive Piquet went off again, twice! In the race where he supposedly has to prove himself he was just as bad as before, and threw away what, at the time, could have been a good result. It was also very dangerous when he reversed back across the track. Has he actually gone a race without spinning off yet? Hes just too far out of his depth.

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"Heikki is wasting the Mclaren's car potential, I don't know why some people rate him so high, he seems pretty average."

One bad race and a shed load of bad luck is not wasting the car.

And what a moment for BMWsauber! fully deserved, nice to see a sauber albeit a heavily tinted BMW one on the top two steps of the podium.

Kovy was not really on the pace all weekend not sure what his problem was, he seemed to find it hard to get the power down out of the tight corners.

Kubica could win the championship this year through consistancy massa and kimi are fighting bewteen them selves so they will take points off each other and Lewis is making silly errors.

I am suprised that mclaren did not bring in lewis the lap the Force India car caught a bit on fire at that point it was clear the saftey car would come out.

ITV was poor in this race anyway, we came back from a break to find the saftey car out, we came back from a break to find alonso had spun out. James and Martin missed loads of stuff as well. Martin kept saying Trulli had run wide until he saw the replay but on the live footage it was clear that he had been held up. I know they can not pick up everything but they also said Nick let Kubica pass easy, did they not see Nick mess up the final corner so he was slow down the straight?

AH87 Wrote:
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> What about this "forbidden" idea: Did Hamilton aim
> at Raikkonen?
> He could just as well turned to the right and hit
> Kubica, but he'd rather take Raikkonen out of the
> race.
>
> I'm sure that if it would have been Schumacher
> hitting a McLaren, everyone would have said that
> he aimed at that car.
>
> Just a feeling that I have.

i mentioned earlier, that i think it would be instinctive to swerve instead of just going straight ahead, but i may be wrong

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X (@ed24f1)

AH87 Wrote:
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> What about this "forbidden" idea: Did Hamilton aim
> at Raikkonen?
> He could just as well turned to the right and hit
> Kubica, but he'd rather take Raikkonen out of the
> race.
>
> I'm sure that if it would have been Schumacher
> hitting a McLaren, everyone would have said that
> he aimed at that car.
>
> Just a feeling that I have.


WHAT!!! Are you for real? what a great idea give up what would have proabably been an easy podium, to take out a rival? Don't be silly fella, he F*****D up by looking at the cars and not around him, so like Schueyfan says he would have naturally gone for the gap to the left, the only thing to the right was the pitwall, and if it was intentional do you not think he may have just gone in fully lit and not braked.................


sounds like you might be a bitter kimi fan?.....

It's racing get over it.

I also don't think people should be blaming mclaren either, there are some pretty big lights at the end of the pitlane, and kimi and kubica were already stationary it's not like they just stopped in front of him and caught him out, he had the blinkers on, not thinking and had another stupid accident.

Now we've got to look forward to his biggest fan (ALLEN) going on about this now............



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2008 10:40AM by bazza_racer.

Well as I said before kimi should not have even been there but people are just ignoring that. 3 lanes in the pit lane, kimi came out the pits along side Kubica which should not have happened anyway. Normally kimi would come out the pits and it would not be a problem but if they had been racing under green surly kimi and ferrari would have got a penalty Kubica was alongside when kimi came out the pits. It could not happen like that had kimi not been at the end of the pit lane but that makes no difference he was released when a car was next to him had kimi gone right like he was meant to he would have hit kubica and even at the end of the pit lane he was getting his car into position to cut kubica off. Watch the replay and u will see what i mean but its been totally over looked.

Anyway I dont think for 1 sec it was done on purpose lewis was trying to win the race, its and acciendt simple as that.

Kimi had not actually stopped his car yet lol he was still doing about 1 mph lol kubica was the only stopped car.

The rule is stupid anyway the pit lane is either open or closed, dont let cars stop then not let them out, as I said this never used to be the case and it should be as in a race they dont show a red light when cars are coming passed. As long as the saftey car has passed they should let them out its not their fault other drivers are going slow and not following close enough.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2008 10:53AM by marcl.

IWE Wrote:
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> DJSKYLINE Wrote:
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> > Well unlike some of the others like the
> Kimi-Sutil
> > crash this one WAS avoidable!
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> Like many things in life, also Kimis' crash in
> Monaco WAS avoidable. As Sutils' bad luck, Kimi
> was able to keep his car going straight forward
> (unlike DC) and ended up to his ass..
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> This case was different than Monaco, but anyway
> also is supporting Kimi beeing the real golden boy
> of FIA.

I pretty sure Hamilton is the golden boy. Hitting someone at 50mph in the PIT lane is hardly the same as hitting someone after coming out a tunnel at something like 170mph. This one was aviodable as hamilton should have been more aware. He needs to open his eyes abit wider.