F1 Future engines

While there is currently an engine freeze that effectively bans constructors from developing new engines until 2013, there is much speculation on the engine regulations once the freeze is lifted. The FIA and FOM have made statements indicating that both want F1 to be more environmentally friendly and at the same time, be on the front line of future engine development. There is also speculation of a return to turbocharged engines based on comments made by the FIA on finding ways to effectively harness waste heat energy from the cars exhausts.

The FIA could introduce 2.2 litre turbocharged V6 engines running on biodiesel in 2011, restricted to 10,000 rpm and capable of enduring five Grand Prix, to attract generalist automakers with resembling products.This could come along the introduction of traction control, four-wheel drive, power boost devices and identical bodywork to save on aerodynamic competition lacking real-life applications.

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Turbo-chargers and bio-fuel? Anyone else seeing the conflict of interests here?

Sounds like a load of bollocks. But then Max is still heading up the FIA, so perhaps it is true.

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> Turbo-chargers and bio-fuel? Anyone else seeing
> the conflict of interests here?


no not really - due to the way turbo chargers work they can actually help offset the increased fuel usage caused by the switch to biofuels, although by 2013 this may no longer be true of course

Sim

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Oh well, fair enough then. Knowledge of engines has never been a strength of mine.

its not specifically engines tbh, its to do with the way the properties of most biofuels differ from petrol. due to teh variable compression required by turbos it allows it to get teh best out of these fuels

having had a quick look at it though, i'm sure F1 engine manufacturers would be able to program their engines to work just as well without turbos :P


another interesting thing is, its entirely possible that with biofuels + turbos we could be seeing over 1000bhp!

Sim

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I'm happy they're heading towards an environmentally friendly path in the future; it'd be nice to see the pinnacle of motorsport and their best minds come up with some bright future technologies that can be used in road going cars to benefit everyone.

SAMF1 Wrote:
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> The FIA could introduce 2.2 litre turbocharged V6
> engines running on biodiesel in 2011, restricted
> to 10,000 rpm and capable of enduring five Grand
> Prix, to attract generalist automakers with
> resembling products.This could come along the
> introduction of traction control, four-wheel
> drive, power boost devices and identical bodywork
> to save on aerodynamic competition lacking
> real-life applications.


Sounds like A1GP to me with the restricted engines, power boost and identical bodywork.

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If you restrict engine revs to that much, you lose the part of F1 that makes it so much better than other forms of motorsport.... the NOISE!!!!! Turbo engines at 18000 revs would sound so good it doesn't bear not thinking about!

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It's irrelevant what revs its doing if its a diesel as you wont hear a thing.

5 races ? They may as well make em last a whole season and call it "Le-Mans with 2 week ad breaks" ... :D

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As well as making history as Formula One racing’s first-ever night race, the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix will also mark the introduction of electronic flag displays to the sport. The new technology, developed by lighting consultants Valerio Maioli S.p.A for the Singapore event, will be used in conjunction with the traditional flag signals waved by marshals.

The innovative system, which meets the FIA’s stringent requirements, is the result of more than a decade of development at the Barcelona, Imola and Monza racing circuits. Similar to units used to guide pilots at the runways of major airports, these ‘DigiFlags’ will convey the different flag colours in a more visible way during the night race.

Thirty five display panels will be situated around the Singapore track, each controlled by handheld panels operated by officials at each marshals’ post. In addition to improved visibility, the new system will also provide the race director with an overview of every flag display around the circuit, thereby ensuring the more efficient communication of warnings.

With less than six months to go before the inaugural Singapore event takes place on September 28, the race organisers have been hard work preparing the new street circuit. A week-long demonstration of the lighting system was held from March 29, with a 64-metre stretch lit up with 16 projectors, ahead of its complete installation in August.

from [www.formula1.com]

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i thought they announced that months ago, but oh well...

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A decade of work...?

NASCAR's been using a similar system for... what... a decade now?

Yeah, but the FIA will have done it bigger and better than NASCAR.

It's also far easier for NASCAR to do the same system because they're in saloon cars, and mostly speedways, which are easier not only to light, but warn of cautions, there being only 2 corners (those who split 2 corners into 2 to make "Turns 1, 2, 3, and 4" should be shot really, since the only circuit that has those is Indianapolis).

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That digiflag system has been used at your local indoor karting track for the past 20 years.

And turkey, whilst many NASCAR tracks do only appear to have 2 180 degree turns, the way you approach them is very definitely as 2 distinct corners, as opposed to one constant-radius corner.

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Yeah, but the FIA will have done it bigger and better than NASCAR.

How exactly do you make it "bigger and better"? It lights up a track and having yellow lights. There isn't 2 ways of doing this. NASCAR perfected it a LONG time ago. And if you really think that F1 can do this "bigger and better" then pay a visit to Daytona, even for the sportscar events, then get back to me.

It's also far easier for NASCAR to do the same system because they're in saloon cars, and mostly speedways, which are easier not only to light, but warn of cautions

NASCAR has had Watkins Glens caution system setup for longer than F1 has been developing it. And just in case you don't know, Watkins Glen is a road course. Other circuts which run NASCAR Races, which aren't NASCAR/ISC owned have talked about setting it up also - such as Mexico City, Mid Ohio and Miller Motorsport Park. Montreal were also considering it for the NASCAR Busch Race. It would have been quite funny if an F1 track had this system before F1 did, thanks to the rednecks coming to town.

Champ Car in 2006 ran a flood lit street course double-header with ALMS at the streets of Houston. The company employed to setup the lighting system is the same company responsible for most of the NASCAR circuits around the States, including Daytona International Speedway.

F1 isn't first for either of these inovations, and certainly won't improve on the already excellent systems which NASCAR and Champ Car (And IRL, on ISC ovals) have been running for a decade.

(those who split 2 corners into 2 to make "Turns 1, 2, 3, and 4" should be shot really, since the only circuit that has those is Indianapolis).

First of all, Indy is not the only circuit that has 4 seperate corners. Secondly, if you don't know why its done, you shouldn't comment on it. It is for easier communication on setup feedback. The cars act very different on the enterence to turn 1 as they do on the exit of turn 1. Therefore it is split into 2 seperate corners to allow easier feedback. The system has been around and working long before we were born...

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Point taken on the 2 turns from one. As you may know, I don't watch NASCAR or IRL regularly.

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