Honda RA 108

Nickv Wrote:
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> Bruninho schreef:
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> > kv88 Wrote:
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> > > Barrichello has already stated he's not happy
> > at
> > > all with the new car. Obviously he did say
> the
> > > 2008 car is better than the 2007 car - adding
> > that
> > > this car couldn't get worse than the RA107
> >
> >
> > Once again he starts the season doing the same
> > things, when will he change? The guy will never
> > stop with his silly complaints and excuses
> (just
> > in case he does another bad season, as usual).
> > It's about time he retired, isnt it? Bah.
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> vesuvius schreef:
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> > Button: "New car is worse than RA107"
> > After get his first tast of the new Honda
> RA108,
> > Jenson Button has said that new car is not a
> big
> > improvement respect last year one: "car doesn't
> > have any grip, traction is very poor at the
> exit
> > of the slow corners and at high speed ones it
> > feels strange. We need to change alot of it,
> they
> > said me the new parts will come at the next
> test,
> > but i'm unsure that will make enough difference
> to
> > be atleast at the top of the midfield".
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> Once again he starts the season doing the same
> things, when will he change? The guy will never
> stop with his silly complaints and excuses (just
> in case he does another bad season, as usual).
> It's about time he retired, isnt it? Bah.

At least jenson's critics were MORE CONSTRUCTIVE than his teammate, he pointed out whats wrong in the car, unlike his teammate.

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How do you know? Barrichello wouldn't still have a job if he didn't tell them what was wrong with the car. I'm sure he tells them what's wrong with it just as much as Jenson does.

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flat tyre Wrote:
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> Louise Griffiths, Jenson Button's former
> girlfriend.

Oh yeah. That was a few years back now!

Ali Wrote:
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Toro Rosso seems quite
> fast by now

They're still running last year's car right? So I think their times are a little incomparible.

I really really want Honda to deliver the goods! COME ON GUYS! What went wrong? in 2004 they had an immense car but it's been downhill (a very steep hill) ever since

brunoboi Wrote:
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> Ali Wrote:
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> Toro Rosso seems quite
> > fast by now
>
> They're still running last year's car right? So I
> think their times are a little incomparible.
>

yes, but they inherit from Red Bull so they don't work blindly, they know what is coming...and I don't think it will be worse than the current one.

brunoboi Wrote:
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> Ali Wrote:
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> Toro Rosso seems quite
> > fast by now
>
> They're still running last year's car right? So I
> think their times are a little incomparible.
>
> I really really want Honda to deliver the goods!
> COME ON GUYS! What went wrong? in 2004 they had an
> immense car but it's been downhill (a very steep
> hill) ever since

They've updated last years car to comply with this years regulations and will be using it up until the Euopean leg of the season, where they will get the new car. So they're times are viable and they do seem fast, Vettel especially.

On topic though, I wouldn't read too much into testing times, this car isn't going to be amazing as I think the designers would have been somewhat conservative as they didn't have a solid platform to build on. But I can't see it being as bad as last years.

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brunoboi Wrote:
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> Ali Wrote:
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> Toro Rosso seems quite
> > fast by now
>
> They're still running last year's car right? So I
> think their times are a little incomparible.
>
> I really really want Honda to deliver the goods!
> COME ON GUYS! What went wrong? in 2004 they had an
> immense car but it's been downhill (a very steep
> hill) ever since


Japan took over. Thats what happened. Nick Fry is corporate Tokyo personified. This team isn't going anywhere until they stop running it like a women's bible convention.

Whilst Dave Richards was there it was Prodrive doing the work, now its Honda its back to the orig BAR people and back to the form they showed before Prodrive helped them.

So far their new car has shown nothing with both drivers. Maybe they can turn it around but it dont look good.

Normally if a car is bad on roll out you just play catch up and other teams get better you stay in the same place.

If a team like Force India can do a good job so should Honda, and thats a team showing good progress so far.

tbh, Honda hiring Ex-Williams staff just makes this too easy...

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lol!

we'll wait till Barcelona and see what the times are there.
But then again whether Honda are top of bottom of the sheets I guess we will still have to wait till Australia.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

...and then in Australia they'll say wait until the European season starts and we'll have our first big update

Then they will say we will work on a car for 2009.

Then they will say, we have a new earth livery on the car and we're gonna be slower even more!

hiring ex-williams staff.... well in 2003-2005 the car was made by the guy that made the 2001-2002 williams. all these cars were good. what was the guys name? he had white hair.. willis?

what you talking about willis?

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The RA 108 doesn't look like it has the aero pieces on it wait till Barcalona then we will really Know where all the teams stand

i presume he means geoff and not bruce

Didn't they take William's aero guy as well?

That's one of the yearly traditions isn't it? How many times in the first 3 races will we hear the Brundle-Allen duo tell us about the signature point that is Barcelona? Doesn't it really mean how many disappointments start dreaming of salvation at the fourth attempt?

mattfd Wrote:
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> The RA 108 doesn't look like it has the aero
> pieces on it wait till Barcalona then we will
> really Know where all the teams stand


no we don't know because Ferrari and Toyota won't be there .

The new car is even worse looking than last year! It looks like they have just tried to cover up some of the earth! HORRIBLE!!!