Technical questions
Posted by slicer
What was the turbo lag like in F1 cars?
I remember hearing/seeing someone mention they would often had to start on the throttle before the apex of the corner so they could maximise the turbo on the exit. ??
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
I remember hearing/seeing someone mention they would often had to start on the throttle before the apex of the corner so they could maximise the turbo on the exit. ??
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
mikef1 Wrote:
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> > > Idk, I saw the vid of JB driving the RA302(?)
> > and
> > > though it was a demonstration the thing still
> > look
> > > like when it accelerated you eyes would end
> up
> > in
> > > the back of your head.
> > >
> > > i remember seeing that comment about the
> > > journalists somewhere but though i guess not
> > many
> > > of us know what they were like to drive but
> > they
> > > looked hard on videos because of the sliding
> > but
> > > my head tells me that it was because they ran
> > bias
> > > ply tires didnt they? i still find it hard to
> > > believe about journalists driving them.
> >
> > Murray drove the McLaren (can't remember which
> > one... 1984 perhaps?) so even with the cars
> being
> > much more sophisticated in the 80's than the
> ones
> > we're talking about here, ordinary people can
> > drive them. You won't get journalists going
> > setting timed laps, but they mustn't have been
> > that difficult to drive.
> >
>
> Murray drove a non turbo Mclaren so i guess it
> would have been the 1983 Macca.
> The controls of the '80s cars are far more similar
> to what you get on a real road car than today's F1
> cars but to go fast in an '80s car, particuarly a
> ground effects or turbo car at speed would be hard
> work for a normal person considering the lack of
> power steering amongst other things.
Does anybody have any videos of this? Muzza actually driving a pukka F1 car is a rarity, so for McLaren to give him the opportunity is rather unique.
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> gav Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > chet Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Idk, I saw the vid of JB driving the RA302(?)
> > and
> > > though it was a demonstration the thing still
> > look
> > > like when it accelerated you eyes would end
> up
> > in
> > > the back of your head.
> > >
> > > i remember seeing that comment about the
> > > journalists somewhere but though i guess not
> > many
> > > of us know what they were like to drive but
> > they
> > > looked hard on videos because of the sliding
> > but
> > > my head tells me that it was because they ran
> > bias
> > > ply tires didnt they? i still find it hard to
> > > believe about journalists driving them.
> >
> > Murray drove the McLaren (can't remember which
> > one... 1984 perhaps?) so even with the cars
> being
> > much more sophisticated in the 80's than the
> ones
> > we're talking about here, ordinary people can
> > drive them. You won't get journalists going
> > setting timed laps, but they mustn't have been
> > that difficult to drive.
> >
>
> Murray drove a non turbo Mclaren so i guess it
> would have been the 1983 Macca.
> The controls of the '80s cars are far more similar
> to what you get on a real road car than today's F1
> cars but to go fast in an '80s car, particuarly a
> ground effects or turbo car at speed would be hard
> work for a normal person considering the lack of
> power steering amongst other things.
Does anybody have any videos of this? Muzza actually driving a pukka F1 car is a rarity, so for McLaren to give him the opportunity is rather unique.
Everyone knows that million-to-one chances happen 9 times out of 10; indeed, it's a common requirement in fairy tales. If the human didn't have to overcome huge odds, what would be the point? Terry Pratchett - The Science Of Discworld
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Nickv Wrote:
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> > Not sure there is footage. They couldn't get
> the
> > onboard camera working for the 1st run, and we
> all
> > know what happened when he attempted a 2nd one.
> :D
>
>
> I am quite sure I have seen footage of it. I
> remember him stalling it :P
>
> I couldn't find it now though...
That's the 2nd 'run' I mentioned.
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> gav schreef:
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> > Not sure there is footage. They couldn't get
> the
> > onboard camera working for the 1st run, and we
> all
> > know what happened when he attempted a 2nd one.
> :D
>
>
> I am quite sure I have seen footage of it. I
> remember him stalling it :P
>
> I couldn't find it now though...
That's the 2nd 'run' I mentioned.
I know at least 3 of us here (Mike, Red 5 and myself spring to mind) must sound like grumpy old men when discussing how poor F1 is in comparison now, but think of that. 6 year old, black and white TV (we were quite poor), Mansell mania was just winding up in Britain, and spectacular stuff like that going on. Sebastian Vettel was still 2 months from being conceived when that race took place. That's why I fell in love with F1.
All I got in 1988 was an album with sticker pictures like those below. (also the size is pretty much the same)
The album and stickers were sold during 1988 and were covering 1986 and 1987 seasons.
Album had 250 sticker pictures and was divided in three parts. First was past champions and cars.
Second part was cars and drivers from 1986 season and the third was with stickers with racing
pictures from 1986a nd 1987 seasond. Below every picture there was short info about it.
Although we had TV set there was no broadcast untill 1991. So I used to imagine what races look like.
It was a time of magic for me.
First ever race I saw was 1991 Mexico GP, and I was totally confused because I imagined Senna was still driving
black Lotus and Alain Prost was driving Mclaren. No wonder, because those stickers were only information I had.
After that race I watched all the remaining races of 1991 season with my father. We had a rough times in those years and
my father thought that watching F1 with his son is a good quality time, since he hardly saw me during working days.
We didn't really know much about F1 but during German GP TV comentator (who himself was much of an ignorant) said "Senna is
quicker on the straights while Mansell is quicker through the corners", naturally we came to conclusion that Senna has
better car while Mansell is a better driver and we decided to cheer for Mansell from than on. Later when I learned more about
F1 I knew that Senna was the better of the two and that Williams and Mclaren from 1991 had more less the same performance, but
Mansell remained my favourite driver.
In 1992 for some reason our goverment decided that it won't broadcast F1 (they had the licence though), I think It was
because of the war and all you can see on TV was war related propaganda.
In 1993 they were broadcasting again and we got satelite television so we could watch eurosport, but I forgot about F1,
It just wanished form my mind (I was only 12 at that time).
Untill I saw a report form Belgian GP on news. Than suddelny it all came back to me and I watched next race; Italian GP an all races
since than up untill 2000 Spanish GP. Than we had to move from the country and I couldn't watch F1 untill 2005.
When I started watching again in 2005 I was already 24 year old and all that magic from early years was gone. I still watch it,
I still enjoy it but not at the same intensity as before. I don't think it is because todays cars have all those winglets and
passing is almost impossible. No, I think the reasons why I prefer past seasons (1986-1997) are rather emotional, nostalgic I think.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2008 09:32PM by red 5.
All I got in 1988 was an album with sticker pictures like those below. (also the size is pretty much the same)
The album and stickers were sold during 1988 and were covering 1986 and 1987 seasons.
Album had 250 sticker pictures and was divided in three parts. First was past champions and cars.
Second part was cars and drivers from 1986 season and the third was with stickers with racing
pictures from 1986a nd 1987 seasond. Below every picture there was short info about it.
Although we had TV set there was no broadcast untill 1991. So I used to imagine what races look like.
It was a time of magic for me.
First ever race I saw was 1991 Mexico GP, and I was totally confused because I imagined Senna was still driving
black Lotus and Alain Prost was driving Mclaren. No wonder, because those stickers were only information I had.
After that race I watched all the remaining races of 1991 season with my father. We had a rough times in those years and
my father thought that watching F1 with his son is a good quality time, since he hardly saw me during working days.
We didn't really know much about F1 but during German GP TV comentator (who himself was much of an ignorant) said "Senna is
quicker on the straights while Mansell is quicker through the corners", naturally we came to conclusion that Senna has
better car while Mansell is a better driver and we decided to cheer for Mansell from than on. Later when I learned more about
F1 I knew that Senna was the better of the two and that Williams and Mclaren from 1991 had more less the same performance, but
Mansell remained my favourite driver.
In 1992 for some reason our goverment decided that it won't broadcast F1 (they had the licence though), I think It was
because of the war and all you can see on TV was war related propaganda.
In 1993 they were broadcasting again and we got satelite television so we could watch eurosport, but I forgot about F1,
It just wanished form my mind (I was only 12 at that time).
Untill I saw a report form Belgian GP on news. Than suddelny it all came back to me and I watched next race; Italian GP an all races
since than up untill 2000 Spanish GP. Than we had to move from the country and I couldn't watch F1 untill 2005.
When I started watching again in 2005 I was already 24 year old and all that magic from early years was gone. I still watch it,
I still enjoy it but not at the same intensity as before. I don't think it is because todays cars have all those winglets and
passing is almost impossible. No, I think the reasons why I prefer past seasons (1986-1997) are rather emotional, nostalgic I think.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2008 09:32PM by red 5.
slicer Wrote:
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> bump....
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> yeah i still have some questions. Oh crap!! i
> just thought of one.
>
>
> ok ok ok.
>
> my racer friend says that those extra little
> winglets on the cars are upforces wings, not
> downforce wings. Is this true, or should my buddy
> shut up about F1 cars cause he doesnt know crap
> about F1.
Give him this.
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> bump....
>
> yeah i still have some questions. Oh crap!! i
> just thought of one.
>
>
> ok ok ok.
>
> my racer friend says that those extra little
> winglets on the cars are upforces wings, not
> downforce wings. Is this true, or should my buddy
> shut up about F1 cars cause he doesnt know crap
> about F1.
Give him this.
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the little winglst sculpt the air flow, causing a cleaner flow over the back wing (no vortices etc). obviously this means that some of them do provide lift, such as the horns on the airbox...
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there is no tracyion control unit :P
if ther was it would just be done via software in teh ecu, which looks pretty much like the one in your car
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if ther was it would just be done via software in teh ecu, which looks pretty much like the one in your car
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