Technical questions

They were going to fix numbers again (for merchandice reasons) after the 02 season (I think 02). This was going ahead until Sauber protested after their good season where they would've gone from car 16-17 to 7-8, so due to them whinging they left it the same... Which I think is good, they deserve to be numbered according to success.

another ?. this time about the 60's cars. I noticed how the engine sticks out. But where does it get air from? I looked at close-up pix of the engine part. All i found were the electrical wires for the spark plugs and the fuel lines. There is absolutly no air feed to the engine, exept for the openning at the nose. But i find it impossilbe to squeeze air from the nose right by the cockpit into the engine, where again, there is nothing resembling a purpose built air feed.

These are sum pix. Hopefully they'll help

Actually those engines were cooled by water not by air. Air did infact cool water and than the water went through the pipes into the engine. Radiator itself was mounted in the nose of the car. well I'm just joking.

Seriously now, those engines didn't need to be cooled because they were old. And the air intake in the nose was ment to cool the driver's feet.

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1st WTF: Where did my post go?!

2nd WTF: WTF are you on about Brnco? You do realise engines need air to work, yeah? It's got nothing to do with cooling.

there is nothing resembling a purpose built air feed.

The intakes are under those leather covers aren't they?



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2008 08:47AM by DaveEllis.

My original post:

I know less about engines than I do about Brncos DNA (both of them), so I might be way off the mark here, but see those covers? Spot what's missing here:



If a mod would care to tell me why on earth this was deleted I'd appreciate it.

Are we having posts deleted for even the slightest bit of mild pee taking, or is the forum software just randomly pruning posts now?

Take a wild and imaginative guess.

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You insulted Brnco, the official forum cock!

He just sits around waiting for a couple of us to post so he can reach down for the "report post" button. I bet he clicks it before he even reads the post. The sad thing is that the mods just bow to his every wish. Had Brnco posted that about, say, Muks, would the post have been deleted? Had, say, Muks posted it about, say, Glyn, would it have been deleted?

LOL @ this thread!

I may be completely wrong, but when an engine is in the open like that, it doesn't necessarily need a dedicated air intake "channel", because it's sucking and expelling the air through the pistons as the car is moving along. The air intake only became totally necessary with engine covers.

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If only we could have the engine exposed like that now :D

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chet Wrote:
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> Iam special

Specially annoying?

SexySam182 Wrote:
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> Not really a techincal question, but better than
> starting a new thread.
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> Why in the 80s and early 90s did Ferrari race with
> numbers 27 and 28? (obviouly not when they were 1
> and 2). And why did they stop doing so aftaer
> Schumacher arrived?

I once got told that if Ferrari had a crap season and would have had numbers in the middle of the field, that Ferrari would throw a tantrum and demand the last two numbers available. So unless they got 1 + 2, they'd be ashamed and go for the last ones.

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> If only we could have the engine exposed like that
> now :D


But then brnco's special engine cooling water would leak out!

Can I get me a Chet LOL for that?

ok still kinda hazy but i think you guys mean that the air intake is those cylindrical objects with the mesh on them sticking out of the engine block.

But wouldn't all the air just rush past the air intakes when at high speeds? I guess thats why they started adding air channels in the 70's to direct the airflow to the engine.

Hmmm then why the leather things. Are they trying to keep the mesh shiny and clean?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2008 09:22PM by slicer.

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> Hmmm then why the leather things. Are they trying
> to keep the mesh shiny and clean?

Stop dust and dirt getting into the engine?

ok still kinda hazy but i think you guys mean that the air intake is those cylindrical objects with the mesh on them sticking out of the engine block.

But wouldn't all the air just rush past the air intakes when at high speeds? I guess thats why they started adding air channels in the 70's to direct the airflow to the engine.

The engine creates negative pressure, sucking air in. Not the most efficient way of doing things, but it was the 1960s.

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That is a beautiful car though

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i agree with dannymeister. That is a pretty car there. Not only that, but i think i have the ability to drive that without getting blinded by speed. I remember sum1 saying that journalists would drive the 70's cars to show off or something.

But yes, it is a great looking car.

Idk, I saw the vid of JB driving the RA302(?) and though it was a demonstration the thing still look like when it accelerated you eyes would end up in the back of your head.

i remember seeing that comment about the journalists somewhere but though i guess not many of us know what they were like to drive but they looked hard on videos because of the sliding but my head tells me that it was because they ran bias ply tires didnt they? i still find it hard to believe about journalists driving them.

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> Idk, I saw the vid of JB driving the RA302(?) and
> though it was a demonstration the thing still look
> like when it accelerated you eyes would end up in
> the back of your head.
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> i remember seeing that comment about the
> journalists somewhere but though i guess not many
> of us know what they were like to drive but they
> looked hard on videos because of the sliding but
> my head tells me that it was because they ran bias
> ply tires didnt they? i still find it hard to
> believe about journalists driving them.

Murray drove the McLaren (can't remember which one... 1984 perhaps?) so even with the cars being much more sophisticated in the 80's than the ones we're talking about here, ordinary people can drive them. You won't get journalists going setting timed laps, but they mustn't have been that difficult to drive.

Remember reading some motor journalist taking a 60's Cooper for a spin, though I've no idea which one. I may still have the article on my PC at home. Race Sim Central's GPL section is a haven for this sort of thing, as they're always after old photos and videos of the 60's cars, and journalists driving the cars inevitably lead to more detailed photos than from standard track-side photography.

It's not uncommon for journalists to have tests in F1 cars. But generally the revs are limited, and they're sent out on intermediate tyres.