2001, best "harvest"

Hehe, I really doubt that.

"Thank you."

Odds are that the FOM TV crew might become somewhat less interested in showing certain cars.

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dkpioe Wrote:
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> I dont agree with you, every driver before
> entering formula one races in some sort of racing
> series, and all series are considered below f1, so
> no shite montoya had experience racing in general,
> but not f1 experience, he was an f1 rookie.
> montoya being a CART champion doesnt make him a
> great find or 'harvest' for f1?? your logic is all
> backwards. most drivers that impress in f1 have
> had championships in other racing formula... thats
> how they get to f1 duh.....


no other series can really be considered at a similar level to F1 apart from the premier US-based open-wheel series, so although JPM was a rookie to F1, he was used to racing at well over 200mph week in, week out, he was used to the power of an F1 car before he even stepped into one.

there's a huge difference between coming straight from a junior series such as Formula Renault with only 23 races on your record (as Kimi did), and having a few years experience in CART, plus winning the championship itself, after winning F3000 which is only 1 level below F1 (as JPM did).

of course JPM was not the "great find" of 2001, he was well-known and on most people's radar. he was already testing Williams F1 cars in 1997 and the plan from when he won the F3000 title was to always be placed in CART and join Williams F1 when the time was right. it's not as if no-one in F1 had heard of him before Frank Williams brought him to F1 in 2001.

which can be said for Kimi. probably no-one in F1 knew who he was till Peter Sauber introduced him, due to the fact that he skipped the natural feeder series to F1 (F3000) and jumped from a junior category straight into F1.

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Muks_C Wrote:
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> dkpioe Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I dont agree with you, every driver before
> > entering formula one races in some sort of
> racing
> > series, and all series are considered below f1,
> so
> > no shite montoya had experience racing in
> general,
> > but not f1 experience, he was an f1 rookie.
> > montoya being a CART champion doesnt make him a
> > great find or 'harvest' for f1?? your logic is
> all
> > backwards. most drivers that impress in f1 have
> > had championships in other racing formula...
> thats
> > how they get to f1 duh.....
>
>
> no other series can really be considered at a
> similar level to F1 apart from the premier
> US-based open-wheel series, so although JPM was a
> rookie to F1, he was used to racing at well over
> 200mph week in, week out, he was used to the power
> of an F1 car before he even stepped into one.
>
> there's a huge difference between coming straight
> from a junior series such as Formula Renault with
> only 23 races on your record (as Kimi did), and
> having a few years experience in CART, plus
> winning the championship itself, after winning
> F3000 which is only 1 level below F1 (as JPM did).
>
>
> of course JPM was not the "great find" of 2001, he
> was well-known and on most people's radar. he was
> already testing Williams F1 cars in 1997 and the
> plan from when he won the F3000 title was to
> always be placed in CART and join Williams F1 when
> the time was right. it's not as if no-one in F1
> had heard of him before Frank Williams brought him
> to F1 in 2001.
>
> which can be said for Kimi. probably no-one in F1
> knew who he was till Peter Sauber introduced him,
> due to the fact that he skipped the natural feeder
> series to F1 (F3000) and jumped from a junior
> category straight into F1.


So what's your point? That Kimi is by far better than Montoya? You win!

But we're talking here about the generation that came to F1 in 2001 and already have 3 championships, and some other potential with JPM.

Muks_C Wrote:
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> i don't agree with the first post really. Only
> Kimi can be seen as the "true great find" of 2001.
> JPM was already experienced with racing in
> general, and was CART champion.
>
> Alonso was hand-picked by Flavio and only "placed"
> at Minardi to gain some experience, the plan
> always was to have him move to Renault after a
> year of racing with Minardi, then do a test-year
> in 2002 and race in 2003.
>
> it's not like he was an unknown driver, who
> somehow managed to get a drive with Minardi, and
> then got "noticed" by a bigger team, it was always
> Flavio's plan.
>
> Kimi literally came from nowhere, straight from
> FRenault after only 23 races or something, that's
> unheard of these days.

I wholeheartedly agree with you Muks. Alonso is a true great of the sport currently but he was "in" from the off as he was sent to Minardi by Briatore to get races under his belt.

Kimi on the otherhand jumped a series/formula on his way into F1 and stunned everyone. I remember when he first came in and wondered who the hell he was. I knew the names of all the F1 drivers and a few non-F1 drivers who might make it into F1. I didn't know about Kimi.

He is my favourite driver now. I'm not saying that to jump on the bandwagon now he is the F1 champion. He's been a favourite of mine for some time now. Probably quite soon after he was so fast in F1.

Since Damon Hill retired I didn't really have a driver to support then along came Kimi.

I know it might sound stupid.

But i think that if Montoya was in the Mclaren this year in place of Alonso he might have won the championship. He was a extremely quick driver but most people overlooked this with the few crashes he had.

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hmmm... makes you wanna listen to Baba O'Riley

why slicer? who's Baba O'Riley?

Oh no, you did not just ask about Baba O'Reilly...

THE WHO son, go listen to some real music



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calimbo Wrote:
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> why slicer? who's Baba O'Riley?

A very very very good song by the Who.

zeppelin101 Wrote:
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> Oh no, you did not just ask about Baba
> O'Reilly...
>
> THE WHO son, go listen to some real music


You're going to love this. Went to the student pub with two of my flatmates last night. We got talking about favourite bands and songs etc. One of them asks who recorded Stairway To Heaven!! He asks if it was Led Zeppelin.

I was just so shocked and amazed. What makes it worse is that he's on a Music degree course. OK classic music degree but still!

Anyone who is unaware of who recorded Stairway should be shot at dawn.

LOL. Its a bit late for that today. Will dusk suffice?

I'll ammend my statement then

Anyone who doesn't know who recorded Stairway should be shot. :P



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What's a Stairwau?

Bernoldi a paid driver?

Enrique Bernoldi was a member of Red Bull Jr Team (who supported Arrows), Sauber and BAR test driver...



calimbo Wrote:
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> Enrique Bernoldi...well, he had to pay for a drive
> if I'm not wrong twice (Arrows 2001 and 2002)

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Joe_Satriani Wrote:
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> What's a Stairwau?

I have no idea what you're talking about

Montoya could never do well with the current F1 rules packages. His driving styled suited the rough and tumble style of the 90s CART stuff (something which has been removed with the DP01). Whilst the NASCAR stuff is totally different, it suits his style of driving more than the current F1 stuff.

Take F1 back to the early-mid 90s and he'd have been much more of a force to reckon with. We've all seen this video before, but no harm in again.



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what is DP01?

sorry to bother.

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