2009 Aero Regs Proposals

Renault#1Fan Wrote:
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> I like the cars the way they are now, with this
> stuff it will just make them all similar, common
> things are going to fix the issues. Look at Champ
> Car they use one body style and you rarely see
> passing there.

It won't change much to be honest. The only thing that we'll be needed to make it a standard is the middle part of the front wing. That's hardly something you'll notice. The rest of the car is still up to the teams. And the measures have always been there, just will be a bit different now. TBH, I prefer this a thousand times over than that stupid split rear wing they were thinking of doing for next year.

flat tyre Wrote:
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> reddwarf Wrote:
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> > Only thing missing is any mention of the
> underbody
> > regs. surely the wash from the underbody
> venturi
> > has a big effect on the following cars front
> > wing?
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>
> Isn't that the diffuser?


No, I had a bottle of underbody venturi with my dinner the other day... subtle tones with a hint of motor oil..



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I just don't like the ideas of the cars not having winglets, flip-ups, chimneys, things like that I happen to like. If you take that away the cars will look somewhat simlar in my mind, I like to see the ideas that these teams come up with. When that gets taken away there will be nothing left to be creative on.

Renault#1Fan Wrote:
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> I like the cars the way they are now, with this
> stuff it will just make them all similar, common
> things are going to fix the issues. Look at Champ
> Car they use one body style and you rarely see
> passing there.


Renault#1Fan Wrote:
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> Yeah but a track like Milwaukee you never saw
> passing there either and F1 is starting to add
> street curcuit again, so what the point of the
> changes then.



ill tell you what, Ill put 4 old races from 2007 onto a VHS tape, or even DVD if im feeling nice, I will then post them, and each time a Formula One race comes on Tv, You can watch the VHS/DVD. since its all the same now anyway. but hey they cars look nice (according to you).

Renault#1Fan Wrote:
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> I just don't like the ideas of the cars not having
> winglets, flip-ups, chimneys, things like that I
> happen to like. If you take that away the cars
> will look somewhat simlar in my mind, I like to
> see the ideas that these teams come up with. When
> that gets taken away there will be nothing left to
> be creative on.

Do you like the cars like they look at Monza? Cause that's how they'll look in 2009.

You might end up with a slight bottleneck in design (like we had around 2000) but the designs will still be fundamentally different. There's never one solution to a complex problem like this.

marcl schreef:
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> Move twice a lap would mean down on a straight
> then up in a corner. God can u imagine how hard
> that is going to be to police. Someone will have
> to watch every car every second of every race.

Actually it is quite easy.. Remember every teams gets the exact same ECU?? This means you can set an electrical device to control the amount of times the button can be pushed during one lap.. Since every car monitors the lap times itself it can monitor when it passes the finish line, so that way the ECU ca calculate how many times the front wing button can be pushed

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Also known as diffuser!! Surely some thought as to the shape of this not just the height, should be included. Overall good to see that they are at least thinking about shifting the emphasis back towards mechanical grip not just aero. We need to see more potential for overtaking and maybe hamilton-esque charges might become more common which would make great viewing, might even help shift emphasis more onto driver ability. When did Ralf Schumacher or Trulli/Fisichella etc last do any memorable overtaking manouevres?

i jump for joy!! they listened!!

Im not really sure about this, but do the engines have anything to add to the factor of overtaking? cause if they do, i say bring back the engines from earlier this decade.

Really happy about the aero stuff. (although it means when the season starts, i'll have to change my Lego Ferrari F1 car[of which i actually built all by myself without intructions! And it looks just like the ferrari!])

Getting ready for better racing!!
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I like the sound of this, apart from the standard front wing,things like this shouldnt be allowed in F1.

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Although many people don't agree, I can at least understand the idea of a standard front wing. If the standardised design is used to clean up the air following another car instead of being entirely designed to provide maximum grip in clear air, then obviously it is going to provide better results when following another car. It's just the thought of seeing every car with the same front wing that scares me. Granted, I dont like all the flip ups that are on the cars these days but one of the most interesting things about different teams is the way they design their cars.

I like the moveable wing idea. Provides extra grip/speed when you need it to try that banzai move on someone and the standard ECU (like someone said a few posts back) is the perfect way to police it.

I also have an idea...I dont know how it would work but at the moment all the cars have a rev limit on the engines. With the standard ECU however a governing body would be able to track the exact positions of all cars on the circuit. How about when a car gets within a certain distance of another car, the rev limit is temporarily raised by about 1000 (therefore simulating a slipstream). That would definitely help overtaking

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Fincent Wrote:
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> I also have an idea...I dont know how it would
> work but at the moment all the cars have a rev
> limit on the engines. With the standard ECU
> however a governing body would be able to track
> the exact positions of all cars on the circuit.
> How about when a car gets within a certain
> distance of another car, the rev limit is
> temporarily raised by about 1000 (therefore
> simulating a slipstream). That would definitely
> help overtaking

Nah, you want to encourage overtaking and running closely, but going so far as to give the advantage (temporary or otherwise) to he doing the overtaking is wrong.

Overtaking has always been difficult - even in the days before wings there wasn't that much overtaking - you want it to remain a challenge, not for someone to simply draw alongside on a straight.

Just reading apparently its only the lowest section of the new front wing which has to be standard.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

^ Where did you see that? I can't find anywhere else on Google with anything about what the topic is talking about.

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Chet is right and I've mentioned above also. Only the middle section of the wing, where it connects to the nose of the car is that has to be standard. The rest is up to the team.

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> Overtaking has always been difficult - even in the
> days before wings there wasn't that much
> overtaking - you want it to remain a challenge,
> not for someone to simply draw alongside on a
> straight.

Definetly right. Maybe its just me but I prefer it to be a challenge as when it does happen its alot more exciting.

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flat tyre Wrote:
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> ^ Where did you see that? I can't find anywhere
> else on Google with anything about what the topic
> is talking about.

Down at F1tech...

[www.f1technical.net]

and i guess i believe it...

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

brnco Wrote:
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> The flaps on the frontwing are allowed to be
> changed twice each lap (max. 6 degrees) from
> inside the cockpit
>
> correct me if I'm wrong but this would be moveable
> aeropart.

Yes, what's your point? They're changing the rules, which is kinda the point of the thread...

which means they should specify the rules..

i mean, if they are not carefull teams could just make flexy flaps lol.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL