Istanbul GP Race thread *SPOILERS!*
Posted by Monza972
I don't get that... could somebody tell me why it's funny? I have an idea what it is but it's not fully developed
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McFiaren, BULLSHIT, completely missed the point! 
choosing which way to vote in this thread suddenly became a lot easier... 
@ Flat Tyre, the "car" in that poster is a photocopier (the StepneyGate controversy was brought to the public's attention after Mike Coughlan's wife took the 780-page Ferrari document to a copy shop to be copied, allegedly), and the "McFiAren" is an allegation that the FIA have either favoured or let-off McLaren from any punishment despite being found guilty of something. it also says "Ron Derox" (similar to Ron Dennis), implying the documents were copied (Xerox being a famous photocopier manufacturer).
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2007 12:15AM by Muks_C.
@ Flat Tyre, the "car" in that poster is a photocopier (the StepneyGate controversy was brought to the public's attention after Mike Coughlan's wife took the 780-page Ferrari document to a copy shop to be copied, allegedly), and the "McFiAren" is an allegation that the FIA have either favoured or let-off McLaren from any punishment despite being found guilty of something. it also says "Ron Derox" (similar to Ron Dennis), implying the documents were copied (Xerox being a famous photocopier manufacturer).
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2007 12:15AM by Muks_C.
here's the saturday p.c. (don't worry it's not polluted with brnco stuff).
FIA Saturday press conference transcript with
1. Felipe Massa (Ferrari), 1m27.329s
2. Lewis Hamilton (McLaren Mercedes), 1m27.373s
3. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari), 1m27.546s
Q: Felipe, an intense, dramatic last few minutes in Q3, everybody out there right at the end, what a brilliant lap from you.
Felipe Massa: Yeah, it was tough. Qualifying was very tight. You could see that every single Q1, Q2, Q3 was always a big fight between all four drivers, and in the last one, I managed to put together a great lap and I'm very proud, especially after a very bad result in Hungary. I think we deserve it. I'm very proud about the lap, about the team's job and it's very good to start on pole position here, especially as the race tomorrow will be very tough, so it's always a good start.
Q: Especially a year after your first pole, also here, in Turkey; a fantastic lap here, talk a little bit about turn eight and getting that lap perfect as you did.
Felipe Massa: Well, turn eight is fantastic. I just managed to do it very well in qualifying. Actually, I love the corner. All weekend I've been doing very good speeds through turn eight with a good balance to the car as well so I really love the corner. I think the whole track is really nice, it's very technical to drive, difficult to find the right balance for every single part.
Q: Lewis, you were on pole again for a milli-second there but Felipe just got you at the end. Nice looking qualifying session for you; not a brilliant first run but very quick on that second run.
Lewis Hamilton: No, it was good for me. I was quite pleased with that. In testing we've been quick but then going into qualifying -- Q1 and Q2 -- I didn't really seem to have the pace and just wasn't able to put a good lap together. The first timed lap in Q3 was OK but again, I was fourth and just wasn't really sure if I was going to be able to do it but I just hung it out and kept on pushing. I lost a little bit of time out of the last corner but me and Felipe were just saying, it's a very tricky corner and you know you're up on your time and you don't want to lose any and you don't want to try again too much, but still, it's been good for us, good for the team in the top four.
Q: When you say you've had a little bit of a difficult time, how does the car feel here relative to recent races, in terms of its competitiveness tomorrow?
Lewis Hamilton: The car feels very good. I think, again, we've had two and a half weeks or three weeks to improve the car and the team has been working extremely hard. Not everyone's had holidays and I know that the team doesn't rest. They've been pushing quite a lot to come here again with another step. I think we have a very strong package. I think for tomorrow we stand in good stead for a competitive race with the Ferraris.
Q: No dramas in qualifying; it looked as if you reverted back to the McLaren practice of having independent pit crews there for this session.
Lewis Hamilton: Yeah, that was a decision the team took before qualifying. Once again, we made sure that if we have any problems, the decision has to be made before qualifying, not during qualifying and they decided it was easier to have two pit crews and it worked out quite well.
Q: Kimi, you also looked like a pole man for quite a while there. What was qualifying like for you?
Kimi Raikkonen: I think the first qualifying (sessions) were good. I made a mistake in the second one in corner nine but the car felt good and just in the last qualifying, the last lap, I had a bit of oversteer in the last two corners, but nevertheless, I think third is OK. For sure, I would rather be in first place but I think we have a good race car here. It's going to be a long race so hopefully we can fight back.
Q: We talk a lot about the dramatic fast corners here particularly turn eight but then it's interesting to hear you and other drivers talking about the last few corners of the lap, which are relatively slow and appear to be quite easy corners.
Kimi Raikkonen: Yeah, they're slow but you lose much more time in slow corners than in fast corners. They're very important corners and it's very tricky to get them right. They seem to be very slippery. You can easily destroy the lap there so that's what happened, but I think we are still in a good position for tomorrow and we will see what we can do in the race.
Q: Felipe, your thoughts on the Ferrari - McLaren Mercedes battle tomorrow.
Felipe Massa: Yeah, it will be very tough. I think we have a good race car tomorrow, as we also showed in practice, but they are going to be very competitive as well. I think it's going to be a difficult race for us, a nice race for the spectators.
Q: Felipe, you're becoming a little bit of a Turkish specialist, I think.
Felipe Massa: I miss this place, to be in the middle of the people, you know. It was a great lap, I'm very happy about that. It was very tight during the whole qualifying with all four drivers but I knew I had a good car and I just knew that if I put everything together I can be very very quick. I didn't have a very very good lap in Q1 and Q2, I just couldn't put the lap together but I was paying attention to where I was making mistakes to get it right when it counts. I was able to put everything together in the last run, both tries in Q3. It was a good lap, so I'm very happy to be here especially after a very bad result in Hungary.
Q: How important is it to know that you can win here, that you have won here?
Felipe Massa: First of all, if you know you have a good car, if you know the balance is right, and if you know that if you're maybe having a problem in one corner but you were already able to do the corner right during the weekend, you know that you are competitive. I was pretty competitive during the weekend, even if maybe I was not first but I was competitive, the balance was right and I just managed to put it together at the time that it counted. I think that's the most important thing. For sure, to be concentrated, to do everything perfect is very difficult but I managed to do that.
Q: And we've seen a lot of drivers making mistakes over the last couple of days, how do you feel about your own performance?
Felipe Massa: I think it's pretty normal to make mistakes. I made some as well. When you need to try to find the limit, it's normal to make small mistakes and that's what happens with most people. Fortunately it didn't happen at the crucial time, so that's good.
Q: Lewis, happy with second on the grid?
Lewis Hamilton: Yeah, absolutely, especially knowing that the gap was so close. Going into qualifying, I knew that we had the pace, obviously throughout testing we seemed to be perhaps either with Ferrari or slightly faster, so I was quite confident going into it. Q1 and Q2 were a bit of a surprise to me. The car didn't feel great and I couldn't really get a clean, smooth lap, and I was fourth, I think, for both of them. Going into the two qualifying laps that I had in Q3, the first one was not too bad, I knew where I lost time and I knew that I could improve on it but I didn't think it would be half a second, six tenths. But going into the last lap, I really put everything together and I knew it was a good lap. I lost a bit of time at the last corner, but I think it's the same for everyone. It's a very very tricky corner, but I'm very very happy: second, I can't complain.
Felipe Massa: He hasn't been to the toilet today, that's why he's second.
Lewis Hamilton: Yeah, but you have, so... If I did, maybe it would be a bit closer.
Q: Obviously last year you had a phenomenal GP2 race here; how does that affect you looking towards the race tomorrow?
Lewis Hamilton: Well, obviously having the experience in GP2 and knowing that you can overtake here definitely eases your mind, just showing that there are opportunities. On some tracks you just can't get close enough but here, it's still tricky, I think, but it's definitely possible so... we just have to see. I think it's going to be a good race, we've got a good car, good strategy and I'm looking forward to having a race with these guys.
Q: Are you surprised to see Ferrari as competitive again as they were on these sort of circuits rather than the tighter ones like Hungary?
Lewis Hamilton: No, not really. I think I would have thought it would be the other way round. I actually thought that through the slower, tighter sort of circuits, we thought that they were perhaps slower than us and in the longer circuits, with longer straights, they seemed to be a little bit quicker. So we sort of anticipated that they would be quick here this weekend, but it doesn't mean they have a better car, it just means they are with us!
Q: Kimi, a bit disappointed to be third after yesterday for instance?
Kimi Raikkonen: Yeah, for sure we want to be in first place but the first two qualifying runs were OK, the car was good. I made small mistakes in the second qualifying but I just had maybe not as a good car as I was expecting in the last run, but a small mistake in the last two corners was enough to put me third. But I think we have a very good car in the race, so we should be able to fight and it's a long race. We will see what we can do.
Q: You seem to be talking a lot about the third sector. Is it a case of you can lose a lot of time there but you can't gain a lot?
Kimi Raikkonen: I think you can win as much as you can lose if you get it right but the fact is that you can lose more time in the slow corners because you spend more time in them. It's just a tricky place with very tight corners and you try to be quick in a straight line, so you don't want too much downforce but it is also slippery.
Q: The World Motor Sport Council decided that McLaren had Ferrari technical information and broke Article 151c, but were not penalized. Then came Hungary where McLaren and Fernando Alonso were severely penalized because he just stood in the pits for 30 seconds for whatever reason. Is this type of justice flattering to the sport and the F1 fans?
Felipe Massa: I am not going to comment on that.
Lewis Hamilton: And neither am I.
Kimi Raikkonen: The same.
Q: Kimi, yesterday you said you would prefer P3 to P2 if you were not on pole. Do you still agree?
Kimi Raikkonen: I think so, if you look at past years the clean side of the circuit seems to be the better place to start. I think it might make a difference here but we will see what happens tomorrow.
Q: A question for both Kimi and Felipe: There are 50 points still to play for, so both of you could still be world champion, but realistically what have you got to do now to stop Lewis and Fernando? I think that you need to be beating Lewis by three and a half points per race between now and the end of the season, so what do you have to do?
Felipe Massa: We will try to do exactly that!
Q: Can you elaborate on that?
Felipe Massa: We will try to put both Ferraris ahead of both McLarens in every race. The championship is not easy, 21 points is not comfortable but is it possible? We are going to try.
Kimi Raikkonen: We will do our best and hopefully win races and you never know what is going to happen in the last six races. We will keep pushing for as long as we still think we have a chance. The next three races are important but we need to wait and see.
Q: For Lewis, how disturbing was it to not be at the circuit on Thursday to prepare for the weekend?
Lewis Hamilton: As you can see we are still second in the qualifying session, so it has not really had any effect on our preparation. We were still able to prepare and I met up with my engineers earlier in the week, so it made no difference to me.
Q: Felipe, there was a report in the German media earlier this week that you had received information about the McLaren Hungary penalty before it had been officially released. Is that true?
Felipe Massa: That is crazy.
Q: Lewis, obviously you have to keep an eye on the Ferrari boys but Fernando is your nearest challenger in the world championship so, with that in mind, how happy are you about qualifying second when Fernando is fourth?
Lewis Hamilton: It is obviously a positive. Going into qualifying I knew that Fernando had been improving all the way through to qualifying and I seemed to lack the pace initially, but I am very relieved that I was able to pull out the time on my last lap and qualify ahead of him. Obviously tomorrow is another day and I will just have to try to get as many points as possible and finish ahead of him. But it will be good for both of us to finish ahead of the Ferraris.
Q: For Massa, you did a fantastic T3 and Kimi said it is easy to make a mistake there, so can you explain how that was so good?
Felipe Massa: It was very difficult especially since from the morning practice to qualifying the wind direction changed a little bit and affected these corners. I didn't have the same grip again in the last corner compared to before but I was able to do a good T3, not pushing as hard in the corner as before. I just tried not to be too aggressive and managed to do a good T3.
Q: You said you didn't have as good a car in Q3 as in Q1 and Q2, so can you just describe what happened with the balance of the car?
Kimi Raikkonen: It was nothing specific, I just think that when you put more fuel in the car it is always going to be different. You are always guessing a bit how it is going to be and although it was still good I could not quite put a lap together as well as I was hoping. But I think for long runs in the race the car should be good. I am not too disappointed although for sure it makes it easier if you start in first place, so we will just have to see what happens.
Q: Felipe, which one was more difficult to get, pole this year or last year?
Felipe Massa: I think both. Pole position is always difficult. Last year was tight and this year we have also had many tight qualifying sessions. I was able to do a good lap here and in Malaysia as well it was very good. Even Bahrain was tight. It is always difficult.
Q: Kimi, can you describe how it felt when you made a mistake, I think between T12 and T13? Did you analyse in that moment that you had lost pole position?
Kimi Raikkonen: I didn't know. I knew that I lost time because I was a bit off the line. I don't know how much I lost but for sure it would have been a lot closer. It just sometimes happens when you push to gain time and you overdo it. It is part of the game.
-credit: fia
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
FIA Saturday press conference transcript with
1. Felipe Massa (Ferrari), 1m27.329s
2. Lewis Hamilton (McLaren Mercedes), 1m27.373s
3. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari), 1m27.546s
Q: Felipe, an intense, dramatic last few minutes in Q3, everybody out there right at the end, what a brilliant lap from you.
Felipe Massa: Yeah, it was tough. Qualifying was very tight. You could see that every single Q1, Q2, Q3 was always a big fight between all four drivers, and in the last one, I managed to put together a great lap and I'm very proud, especially after a very bad result in Hungary. I think we deserve it. I'm very proud about the lap, about the team's job and it's very good to start on pole position here, especially as the race tomorrow will be very tough, so it's always a good start.
Q: Especially a year after your first pole, also here, in Turkey; a fantastic lap here, talk a little bit about turn eight and getting that lap perfect as you did.
Felipe Massa: Well, turn eight is fantastic. I just managed to do it very well in qualifying. Actually, I love the corner. All weekend I've been doing very good speeds through turn eight with a good balance to the car as well so I really love the corner. I think the whole track is really nice, it's very technical to drive, difficult to find the right balance for every single part.
Q: Lewis, you were on pole again for a milli-second there but Felipe just got you at the end. Nice looking qualifying session for you; not a brilliant first run but very quick on that second run.
Lewis Hamilton: No, it was good for me. I was quite pleased with that. In testing we've been quick but then going into qualifying -- Q1 and Q2 -- I didn't really seem to have the pace and just wasn't able to put a good lap together. The first timed lap in Q3 was OK but again, I was fourth and just wasn't really sure if I was going to be able to do it but I just hung it out and kept on pushing. I lost a little bit of time out of the last corner but me and Felipe were just saying, it's a very tricky corner and you know you're up on your time and you don't want to lose any and you don't want to try again too much, but still, it's been good for us, good for the team in the top four.
Q: When you say you've had a little bit of a difficult time, how does the car feel here relative to recent races, in terms of its competitiveness tomorrow?
Lewis Hamilton: The car feels very good. I think, again, we've had two and a half weeks or three weeks to improve the car and the team has been working extremely hard. Not everyone's had holidays and I know that the team doesn't rest. They've been pushing quite a lot to come here again with another step. I think we have a very strong package. I think for tomorrow we stand in good stead for a competitive race with the Ferraris.
Q: No dramas in qualifying; it looked as if you reverted back to the McLaren practice of having independent pit crews there for this session.
Lewis Hamilton: Yeah, that was a decision the team took before qualifying. Once again, we made sure that if we have any problems, the decision has to be made before qualifying, not during qualifying and they decided it was easier to have two pit crews and it worked out quite well.
Q: Kimi, you also looked like a pole man for quite a while there. What was qualifying like for you?
Kimi Raikkonen: I think the first qualifying (sessions) were good. I made a mistake in the second one in corner nine but the car felt good and just in the last qualifying, the last lap, I had a bit of oversteer in the last two corners, but nevertheless, I think third is OK. For sure, I would rather be in first place but I think we have a good race car here. It's going to be a long race so hopefully we can fight back.
Q: We talk a lot about the dramatic fast corners here particularly turn eight but then it's interesting to hear you and other drivers talking about the last few corners of the lap, which are relatively slow and appear to be quite easy corners.
Kimi Raikkonen: Yeah, they're slow but you lose much more time in slow corners than in fast corners. They're very important corners and it's very tricky to get them right. They seem to be very slippery. You can easily destroy the lap there so that's what happened, but I think we are still in a good position for tomorrow and we will see what we can do in the race.
Q: Felipe, your thoughts on the Ferrari - McLaren Mercedes battle tomorrow.
Felipe Massa: Yeah, it will be very tough. I think we have a good race car tomorrow, as we also showed in practice, but they are going to be very competitive as well. I think it's going to be a difficult race for us, a nice race for the spectators.
Q: Felipe, you're becoming a little bit of a Turkish specialist, I think.
Felipe Massa: I miss this place, to be in the middle of the people, you know. It was a great lap, I'm very happy about that. It was very tight during the whole qualifying with all four drivers but I knew I had a good car and I just knew that if I put everything together I can be very very quick. I didn't have a very very good lap in Q1 and Q2, I just couldn't put the lap together but I was paying attention to where I was making mistakes to get it right when it counts. I was able to put everything together in the last run, both tries in Q3. It was a good lap, so I'm very happy to be here especially after a very bad result in Hungary.
Q: How important is it to know that you can win here, that you have won here?
Felipe Massa: First of all, if you know you have a good car, if you know the balance is right, and if you know that if you're maybe having a problem in one corner but you were already able to do the corner right during the weekend, you know that you are competitive. I was pretty competitive during the weekend, even if maybe I was not first but I was competitive, the balance was right and I just managed to put it together at the time that it counted. I think that's the most important thing. For sure, to be concentrated, to do everything perfect is very difficult but I managed to do that.
Q: And we've seen a lot of drivers making mistakes over the last couple of days, how do you feel about your own performance?
Felipe Massa: I think it's pretty normal to make mistakes. I made some as well. When you need to try to find the limit, it's normal to make small mistakes and that's what happens with most people. Fortunately it didn't happen at the crucial time, so that's good.
Q: Lewis, happy with second on the grid?
Lewis Hamilton: Yeah, absolutely, especially knowing that the gap was so close. Going into qualifying, I knew that we had the pace, obviously throughout testing we seemed to be perhaps either with Ferrari or slightly faster, so I was quite confident going into it. Q1 and Q2 were a bit of a surprise to me. The car didn't feel great and I couldn't really get a clean, smooth lap, and I was fourth, I think, for both of them. Going into the two qualifying laps that I had in Q3, the first one was not too bad, I knew where I lost time and I knew that I could improve on it but I didn't think it would be half a second, six tenths. But going into the last lap, I really put everything together and I knew it was a good lap. I lost a bit of time at the last corner, but I think it's the same for everyone. It's a very very tricky corner, but I'm very very happy: second, I can't complain.
Felipe Massa: He hasn't been to the toilet today, that's why he's second.
Lewis Hamilton: Yeah, but you have, so... If I did, maybe it would be a bit closer.
Q: Obviously last year you had a phenomenal GP2 race here; how does that affect you looking towards the race tomorrow?
Lewis Hamilton: Well, obviously having the experience in GP2 and knowing that you can overtake here definitely eases your mind, just showing that there are opportunities. On some tracks you just can't get close enough but here, it's still tricky, I think, but it's definitely possible so... we just have to see. I think it's going to be a good race, we've got a good car, good strategy and I'm looking forward to having a race with these guys.
Q: Are you surprised to see Ferrari as competitive again as they were on these sort of circuits rather than the tighter ones like Hungary?
Lewis Hamilton: No, not really. I think I would have thought it would be the other way round. I actually thought that through the slower, tighter sort of circuits, we thought that they were perhaps slower than us and in the longer circuits, with longer straights, they seemed to be a little bit quicker. So we sort of anticipated that they would be quick here this weekend, but it doesn't mean they have a better car, it just means they are with us!
Q: Kimi, a bit disappointed to be third after yesterday for instance?
Kimi Raikkonen: Yeah, for sure we want to be in first place but the first two qualifying runs were OK, the car was good. I made small mistakes in the second qualifying but I just had maybe not as a good car as I was expecting in the last run, but a small mistake in the last two corners was enough to put me third. But I think we have a very good car in the race, so we should be able to fight and it's a long race. We will see what we can do.
Q: You seem to be talking a lot about the third sector. Is it a case of you can lose a lot of time there but you can't gain a lot?
Kimi Raikkonen: I think you can win as much as you can lose if you get it right but the fact is that you can lose more time in the slow corners because you spend more time in them. It's just a tricky place with very tight corners and you try to be quick in a straight line, so you don't want too much downforce but it is also slippery.
Q: The World Motor Sport Council decided that McLaren had Ferrari technical information and broke Article 151c, but were not penalized. Then came Hungary where McLaren and Fernando Alonso were severely penalized because he just stood in the pits for 30 seconds for whatever reason. Is this type of justice flattering to the sport and the F1 fans?
Felipe Massa: I am not going to comment on that.
Lewis Hamilton: And neither am I.
Kimi Raikkonen: The same.
Q: Kimi, yesterday you said you would prefer P3 to P2 if you were not on pole. Do you still agree?
Kimi Raikkonen: I think so, if you look at past years the clean side of the circuit seems to be the better place to start. I think it might make a difference here but we will see what happens tomorrow.
Q: A question for both Kimi and Felipe: There are 50 points still to play for, so both of you could still be world champion, but realistically what have you got to do now to stop Lewis and Fernando? I think that you need to be beating Lewis by three and a half points per race between now and the end of the season, so what do you have to do?
Felipe Massa: We will try to do exactly that!
Q: Can you elaborate on that?
Felipe Massa: We will try to put both Ferraris ahead of both McLarens in every race. The championship is not easy, 21 points is not comfortable but is it possible? We are going to try.
Kimi Raikkonen: We will do our best and hopefully win races and you never know what is going to happen in the last six races. We will keep pushing for as long as we still think we have a chance. The next three races are important but we need to wait and see.
Q: For Lewis, how disturbing was it to not be at the circuit on Thursday to prepare for the weekend?
Lewis Hamilton: As you can see we are still second in the qualifying session, so it has not really had any effect on our preparation. We were still able to prepare and I met up with my engineers earlier in the week, so it made no difference to me.
Q: Felipe, there was a report in the German media earlier this week that you had received information about the McLaren Hungary penalty before it had been officially released. Is that true?
Felipe Massa: That is crazy.
Q: Lewis, obviously you have to keep an eye on the Ferrari boys but Fernando is your nearest challenger in the world championship so, with that in mind, how happy are you about qualifying second when Fernando is fourth?
Lewis Hamilton: It is obviously a positive. Going into qualifying I knew that Fernando had been improving all the way through to qualifying and I seemed to lack the pace initially, but I am very relieved that I was able to pull out the time on my last lap and qualify ahead of him. Obviously tomorrow is another day and I will just have to try to get as many points as possible and finish ahead of him. But it will be good for both of us to finish ahead of the Ferraris.
Q: For Massa, you did a fantastic T3 and Kimi said it is easy to make a mistake there, so can you explain how that was so good?
Felipe Massa: It was very difficult especially since from the morning practice to qualifying the wind direction changed a little bit and affected these corners. I didn't have the same grip again in the last corner compared to before but I was able to do a good T3, not pushing as hard in the corner as before. I just tried not to be too aggressive and managed to do a good T3.
Q: You said you didn't have as good a car in Q3 as in Q1 and Q2, so can you just describe what happened with the balance of the car?
Kimi Raikkonen: It was nothing specific, I just think that when you put more fuel in the car it is always going to be different. You are always guessing a bit how it is going to be and although it was still good I could not quite put a lap together as well as I was hoping. But I think for long runs in the race the car should be good. I am not too disappointed although for sure it makes it easier if you start in first place, so we will just have to see what happens.
Q: Felipe, which one was more difficult to get, pole this year or last year?
Felipe Massa: I think both. Pole position is always difficult. Last year was tight and this year we have also had many tight qualifying sessions. I was able to do a good lap here and in Malaysia as well it was very good. Even Bahrain was tight. It is always difficult.
Q: Kimi, can you describe how it felt when you made a mistake, I think between T12 and T13? Did you analyse in that moment that you had lost pole position?
Kimi Raikkonen: I didn't know. I knew that I lost time because I was a bit off the line. I don't know how much I lost but for sure it would have been a lot closer. It just sometimes happens when you push to gain time and you overdo it. It is part of the game.
-credit: fia
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
in gp2 sprint race, the guy from p2 didnt have a good start, the person from p3 overtook him into turn 1.
hopefully its still nice and dirty for hamilton so kimi can pass
hopefully its still nice and dirty for hamilton so kimi can pass
brnco Wrote:
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> yours so calle McFiaren has nothing copied from no
> other car. That's crap, that stinky prick stepney
> did it for his own little reasons. Macca is clean
> as a cleanness itself. You should criticize others
> look at that prick horse with moveable aeroparts,
> red bull and its italian counterpart torro rosso
> are copies of macca, and yet everyone smuckes
> Macca, look at flavio that italian pasta eating
> midget is all made of cheating, he cheats all the
> time, remember benetton in 1994 and their
> misterious traction control.
@#$%& OFF or enjoy the joke.
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> yours so calle McFiaren has nothing copied from no
> other car. That's crap, that stinky prick stepney
> did it for his own little reasons. Macca is clean
> as a cleanness itself. You should criticize others
> look at that prick horse with moveable aeroparts,
> red bull and its italian counterpart torro rosso
> are copies of macca, and yet everyone smuckes
> Macca, look at flavio that italian pasta eating
> midget is all made of cheating, he cheats all the
> time, remember benetton in 1994 and their
> misterious traction control.
@#$%& OFF or enjoy the joke.
Another despairingly awful build up. This needs to have somthing done about it.
'Welcome to the Turkish Grand Prix, where Lewis Hamilton starts second infront of Raikkonen and Alonso'.
What the @#$%& happened to pole?
What the @#$%& happened to pole?
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