British Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
Posted by chet
great pic!
as for weaving, i think they should remove the rule of only 1 move across the track. they are supposed to be highly-skilled professional racing drivers, there should be no rule that says how many times they can move across the track. we might as well paint white lines on the track to split it up into lanes like a motorway, and then make each car have indicators on them so the drivers can signal to each other which way they are going to go. it's ludicrous this rule is actually here, if you think about it.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
as for weaving, i think they should remove the rule of only 1 move across the track. they are supposed to be highly-skilled professional racing drivers, there should be no rule that says how many times they can move across the track. we might as well paint white lines on the track to split it up into lanes like a motorway, and then make each car have indicators on them so the drivers can signal to each other which way they are going to go. it's ludicrous this rule is actually here, if you think about it.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Anyone read Motorsport magazine??
Read the JV article, its a goodun
he mentions removing the mirrors from f1cars, he has logic to it too.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Read the JV article, its a goodun
he mentions removing the mirrors from f1cars, he has logic to it too."Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
i see your point, we don't want another Gilles Villeneuve-style accident which could happen if one car rams another at high speed, but hasn't this rule sanitised racing a bit? what Lewis did at Silverstone was maybe just on the border of the current rule, but shouldn't what he did be perfectly legal? he went one way to stop someone passing him, then went the other way to take the best line through the corner? instead half of us are condemning him (me included) when really shouldn't it just be looked at as good defending?
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2007 07:28PM by Muks_C.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2007 07:28PM by Muks_C.
@ Slash, i am talking about the start of the race, when he went to the right to block Kimi, then went left again to go around the first corner.
@ Mike, but technically speaking, wasn't what Lewis did at the start to Kimi illegal with the "move once to defend" rule? the rule doesn't say you can move across the track to block, and then move back to your original line to take the next corner, it says you can move once to block but then must stay on that line to take the corner.
the racing line through Copse is the left-hand side of the track, so Lewis was fully in the wrong for moving to the right to block Kimi, then move back to the left to take the corner.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
@ Mike, but technically speaking, wasn't what Lewis did at the start to Kimi illegal with the "move once to defend" rule? the rule doesn't say you can move across the track to block, and then move back to your original line to take the next corner, it says you can move once to block but then must stay on that line to take the corner.
the racing line through Copse is the left-hand side of the track, so Lewis was fully in the wrong for moving to the right to block Kimi, then move back to the left to take the corner.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Muks_C Wrote:
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> great pic!
>
> as for weaving, i think they should remove the
> rule of only 1 move across the track. they are
> supposed to be highly-skilled professional racing
> drivers, there should be no rule that says how
> many times they can move across the track. we
> might as well paint white lines on the track to
> split it up into lanes like a motorway, and then
> make each car have indicators on them so the
> drivers can signal to each other which way they
> are going to go. it's ludicrous this rule is
> actually here, if you think about it.
You're allowed one move to defend, another to return to the racing line. Hamilton has gotten off with weaving down the straight at Sepang and I'm pretty sure he did it at Silverstone (by weaving I mean 4+ significant moves left/right). The rule is their primairly for safety but also the fact you'd see even less overtaking. The driver in front would just weave to break the slipstream and make the following driver hesitate.
What he did at the start was fine. It was hard and wont win him many friends but had he caused contact then of course he'd have been in the wrong.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2007 07:45PM by keiran.
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> great pic!
>
> as for weaving, i think they should remove the
> rule of only 1 move across the track. they are
> supposed to be highly-skilled professional racing
> drivers, there should be no rule that says how
> many times they can move across the track. we
> might as well paint white lines on the track to
> split it up into lanes like a motorway, and then
> make each car have indicators on them so the
> drivers can signal to each other which way they
> are going to go. it's ludicrous this rule is
> actually here, if you think about it.
You're allowed one move to defend, another to return to the racing line. Hamilton has gotten off with weaving down the straight at Sepang and I'm pretty sure he did it at Silverstone (by weaving I mean 4+ significant moves left/right). The rule is their primairly for safety but also the fact you'd see even less overtaking. The driver in front would just weave to break the slipstream and make the following driver hesitate.
What he did at the start was fine. It was hard and wont win him many friends but had he caused contact then of course he'd have been in the wrong.
vMax.Keiran
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2007 07:45PM by keiran.
@ Fresco, it's double standards mate. MS chopped people of the startline, and everyone called him a cheat and dirty driver for it. what Lewis did on sunday was exactly the same.
Indeed it is, but I'm probably one of the few people who thought MS's starts were perfectly acceptable (apart from Nurburgring '01). I remember Coulthard constantly bitching about them, and then a few races later he did exactly the same to MS when he was on pole.
Hamilton's aggression will eventually be mirrored by his rivals when he is trying to overtake them, anyway. I can't see Raikkonen, Massa or Alonso letting him breeze passed, theyll pull the same tricks on him simply to give him a dose of his own medicine.
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Indeed it is, but I'm probably one of the few people who thought MS's starts were perfectly acceptable (apart from Nurburgring '01). I remember Coulthard constantly bitching about them, and then a few races later he did exactly the same to MS when he was on pole.
Hamilton's aggression will eventually be mirrored by his rivals when he is trying to overtake them, anyway. I can't see Raikkonen, Massa or Alonso letting him breeze passed, theyll pull the same tricks on him simply to give him a dose of his own medicine.
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well ok, if the rule is you can move once to block, then move back to the racing line, then fair enough. but even Gav thinks the rule is that you can move once to defend, then stay there, not move back, so i'm not sure who is right.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
The current lack of action following Hamilton's move in the start is entirely consistent with the previous stance on the matter by the FIA.
Muks_C Wrote:
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> well ok, if the rule is you can move once to
> block, then move back to the racing line, then
> fair enough. but even Gav thinks the rule is that
> you can move once to defend, then stay there, not
> move back, so i'm not sure who is right.
The rule in all/most motorsport is one move to defend, then one move back to the racing line. It'll be in the sporting regulations somewhere. So the move off the start was fine to the degree he never took Kimi's wing off.
Where I feel he is breaking the rule is weaving down the straights to stop the following car from slipstreaming him, more evident at Sepang but he did do it down hanger straight as well.
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> well ok, if the rule is you can move once to
> block, then move back to the racing line, then
> fair enough. but even Gav thinks the rule is that
> you can move once to defend, then stay there, not
> move back, so i'm not sure who is right.
The rule in all/most motorsport is one move to defend, then one move back to the racing line. It'll be in the sporting regulations somewhere. So the move off the start was fine to the degree he never took Kimi's wing off.
Where I feel he is breaking the rule is weaving down the straights to stop the following car from slipstreaming him, more evident at Sepang but he did do it down hanger straight as well.
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the start is a story but when down hanger straight and he was weaving, well iam sure i have seen that at indy, and at silverstone before too.
if he was blocking in that instance, iam sure someone would have said, other than us forum people.
i must say i cant recall him weaving down the straight, and if he did, it was not noticable enough for me to stop at think, 'hang on, is that allowed'
for one kimi or no-one else has complaind have they?
sepang was something else though, why he didnt get a drive through idk.
anyway who cares. he was dreadful, his worst race so far.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
if he was blocking in that instance, iam sure someone would have said, other than us forum people.
i must say i cant recall him weaving down the straight, and if he did, it was not noticable enough for me to stop at think, 'hang on, is that allowed'
for one kimi or no-one else has complaind have they?
sepang was something else though, why he didnt get a drive through idk.
anyway who cares. he was dreadful, his worst race so far.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
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