French Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
Posted by Joeku
Senna Wrote:
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> CH4OS Wrote:
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> > And Senna comparing overtaking in F1 to GP2 is
> a
> > joke, right?
>
> I wasnt comparing the overtaking in F1 to GP2. I
> was comparing how Villa and Alonso acted behind
> another car. Villa was doing always the right
> choices in his overtaking attempts, taking the
> right line while Alonso were always @#$%& them up
> at the hairpin. A two times world champion should
> already know how to do it, and Lewis, (ofc I am
> not a Lewis fan) who still is yet to win a world
> champion in his career, already knew how to do it.
>
>
> I think that Alonso should take a time to rethink
> the way he take his decisions in the races,
> because he messed them up at Canada, Indy and now
> France. He's too impatient to choose the right
> decision when hes under pressure. It's not
> something that I'd expect from a world champion.
Lewis made one overtaking move, and Kubica left the door open to allow that. Something Nick wasn't doing.
Nick and Fisi were a lot more switched on making sure Alonso had to commit to the left side. If Alonso had backed off he'd have dropped too far back to have a sniff of taking the inside, so where else could he have gone? Even if he had stayed on Nick's wing, Nick would have just held a tight line.
Alonso had no option but to go to the outside and hope he could force Nick/Fisi/Rosberg into a mistake so he could cut back inside of them.
vMax.Keiran
Velocity Maximum Simulation Racing
www.vMaxSR.com
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> CH4OS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And Senna comparing overtaking in F1 to GP2 is
> a
> > joke, right?
>
> I wasnt comparing the overtaking in F1 to GP2. I
> was comparing how Villa and Alonso acted behind
> another car. Villa was doing always the right
> choices in his overtaking attempts, taking the
> right line while Alonso were always @#$%& them up
> at the hairpin. A two times world champion should
> already know how to do it, and Lewis, (ofc I am
> not a Lewis fan) who still is yet to win a world
> champion in his career, already knew how to do it.
>
>
> I think that Alonso should take a time to rethink
> the way he take his decisions in the races,
> because he messed them up at Canada, Indy and now
> France. He's too impatient to choose the right
> decision when hes under pressure. It's not
> something that I'd expect from a world champion.
Lewis made one overtaking move, and Kubica left the door open to allow that. Something Nick wasn't doing.
Nick and Fisi were a lot more switched on making sure Alonso had to commit to the left side. If Alonso had backed off he'd have dropped too far back to have a sniff of taking the inside, so where else could he have gone? Even if he had stayed on Nick's wing, Nick would have just held a tight line.
Alonso had no option but to go to the outside and hope he could force Nick/Fisi/Rosberg into a mistake so he could cut back inside of them.
vMax.Keiran
Velocity Maximum Simulation Racing
www.vMaxSR.com
www.liveforspeed.net LFS Status:
A Few Conclusions From The French GP
Monday 2nd July 2007
Fantasy F1 - Win a trip to Monaco!
It's not too late, point scoring starts at the Bahrain GP. Click here.
Jenson Button's improvement only highlighted his major flaw, while Ferrari's resurgence may be short-lived...
Jenson Button Can Only Drive A Good Car.
Rubens Barrichello could be forgiven for feeling a little sorry for himself this morning.
Compared to Jenson Button, the Brazilian has made the best of the wretchedly bad job Honda have done since the foolish sacking Geoff Willis. In each of the opening seven grand prixs, Barrichello held a clear advantage over his team-mate. The car was rubbish, but Rubens' application certainly wasn't.
And then what happens? The car is finally patched-up and, lo and behold, it is Jenson who enjoys the spoils - setting the sixth-fastest lap time at Magny-Cours and earning the team's first point of the season.
Button supporters will relish his revival, arguing that the capacity to raise performance when it matters is the hallmark of a special talent. It is a valid argument, but it overlooks the glaring weakness in Button's armoury: the inability to drive around a bad car.
Rather than 'lifting his performance when it matters', Button was unable to compete in the RA107 before its overhaul. Remember how he was thrashed by Giancarlo Fisichella in 2001? That remains the only year in his F1 career when the Englishman was beaten decisively by a team-mate, and not coincidentally, the only season in F1 when he has driven a consistently under-performing car.
Button is a fine driver of a decent motor car. Yet, as a consequence of his his smooth and sleek driving style, he seems unable to confront, let alone defy, difficult cars - a flaw that separates him from F1's elite.
Kubica May Have Survived To Become A Better Driver.
Studying the psychology of drivers who have 'suffered' a major shunt must be a fascinating thing.
Patrick Head is well qualified to lecture on the subject and caused ripples in the paddock a few years ago by briefing that Ralf Schumacher was 'never the same driver again' after his first major crash at Indianapolis. Conversely, Robert Kubica appears to have disregarded his brush with mortality in Canada to remain completely unaffected. Having only been cleared to resume driving on Friday, the Pole produced his best-ever qualifying result a day later.
Perhaps the crash at Montreal will be the making of Kubica. Whereas others (including, apparently, Ralf) may have blanched at the perilous reminder of their vulnerability, surviving an accident measured at 75 times the force of gravity may have fostered a feeling of indestructibility in the BMW driver. 'If I can emerge from that crash unscathed', he may have calculated, 'I can survive anything'.
Ferrari Have Improved. But...
By how much?
The team definitely took a step forward in last week's pivotal test at Silverstone, but their fourth-tenths advantage over McLaren in France was nonetheless deceptive. At no stage during the race did either of the two Maccas enjoy the benefit of running in cool air, while Ron Dennis revealed to ITV that both engines had been turned down to 'safe mode'. Furthermore, the decifit to Ferrari was increased by the team's conservative three-stop strategy.
Those two factors explain the team's confidence ahead of this week's British GP. "We flattered them this week," declared Dennis. However, Ferrari's own scope for improvement should not be so lightly discounted - they won comfortably in France despite setting up their cars in anticipation of the expected rainfall.
Somebody Other Than Michael Is Being Missed At Ferrari.
To quote from P-F1's Winners and Losers page:
'It was his bad luck that when he came out after his pit-stop there were four cars ahead of him all having their own fight. A lot of drivers use traffic as an excuse to cover up their shortcomings, but such was the close nature of the Ferrari fight that two slow laps dropped him behind Raikkonen.'
Bad luck? Or the type of bad planning that never occurred when Ross Brawn was sitting on the Ferrari pitwall?
Frontrunning Is Key, Part One
Although Kimi Raikkonen's victory doubled the number of times this season that the pole sitter has not gone on to win, the Finn's unlikely success emphasised the importance of frontrunning.
Hamilton's race was lost when, for only the second time this season, he was overtaken off the line. "Even if you are seconds quicker than the car in front, you still can't pass," he reflected in the post-race press conference.
With Raikkonen 'overtaking' his team-mate in the pits, France also marked the first time this season that the driver who led into the first corner of a race has failed to win.
Frontrunning Is Key, Part Two
It is becoming increasingly clear that the 2007 cars are particularly rough in dirty air and that the Ferrari struggles more than most.
Backmarkers cost Massa victory, yet rather than block or rebuff the Brazilian, they repelled him by inadvertently reducing his Ferrari's effectiveness. "Even when you are not very close to the car in front, you lose so much downforce and cannot follow the car," he acknowledged. "You lose speed. That is the biggest problem we had today and I lost the victory because of that."
As Silverstone is generally a tough circuit on which to overtake, Saturday's qualifying session - and the first thirty seconds of Sunday's race - are bound to prove decisive.
Pete Gill.
Fair comments about JB, but RB has not held a 'clear' advantage :s its always been thousands or so. But agreed, like 2001 showed, he cant cope with a bad car, but when he gets a good one he is immense.
Then again, unless you start in Minardi or something, how often will you get a B201 ?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Monday 2nd July 2007
Fantasy F1 - Win a trip to Monaco!
It's not too late, point scoring starts at the Bahrain GP. Click here.
Jenson Button's improvement only highlighted his major flaw, while Ferrari's resurgence may be short-lived...
Jenson Button Can Only Drive A Good Car.
Rubens Barrichello could be forgiven for feeling a little sorry for himself this morning.
Compared to Jenson Button, the Brazilian has made the best of the wretchedly bad job Honda have done since the foolish sacking Geoff Willis. In each of the opening seven grand prixs, Barrichello held a clear advantage over his team-mate. The car was rubbish, but Rubens' application certainly wasn't.
And then what happens? The car is finally patched-up and, lo and behold, it is Jenson who enjoys the spoils - setting the sixth-fastest lap time at Magny-Cours and earning the team's first point of the season.
Button supporters will relish his revival, arguing that the capacity to raise performance when it matters is the hallmark of a special talent. It is a valid argument, but it overlooks the glaring weakness in Button's armoury: the inability to drive around a bad car.
Rather than 'lifting his performance when it matters', Button was unable to compete in the RA107 before its overhaul. Remember how he was thrashed by Giancarlo Fisichella in 2001? That remains the only year in his F1 career when the Englishman was beaten decisively by a team-mate, and not coincidentally, the only season in F1 when he has driven a consistently under-performing car.
Button is a fine driver of a decent motor car. Yet, as a consequence of his his smooth and sleek driving style, he seems unable to confront, let alone defy, difficult cars - a flaw that separates him from F1's elite.
Kubica May Have Survived To Become A Better Driver.
Studying the psychology of drivers who have 'suffered' a major shunt must be a fascinating thing.
Patrick Head is well qualified to lecture on the subject and caused ripples in the paddock a few years ago by briefing that Ralf Schumacher was 'never the same driver again' after his first major crash at Indianapolis. Conversely, Robert Kubica appears to have disregarded his brush with mortality in Canada to remain completely unaffected. Having only been cleared to resume driving on Friday, the Pole produced his best-ever qualifying result a day later.
Perhaps the crash at Montreal will be the making of Kubica. Whereas others (including, apparently, Ralf) may have blanched at the perilous reminder of their vulnerability, surviving an accident measured at 75 times the force of gravity may have fostered a feeling of indestructibility in the BMW driver. 'If I can emerge from that crash unscathed', he may have calculated, 'I can survive anything'.
Ferrari Have Improved. But...
By how much?
The team definitely took a step forward in last week's pivotal test at Silverstone, but their fourth-tenths advantage over McLaren in France was nonetheless deceptive. At no stage during the race did either of the two Maccas enjoy the benefit of running in cool air, while Ron Dennis revealed to ITV that both engines had been turned down to 'safe mode'. Furthermore, the decifit to Ferrari was increased by the team's conservative three-stop strategy.
Those two factors explain the team's confidence ahead of this week's British GP. "We flattered them this week," declared Dennis. However, Ferrari's own scope for improvement should not be so lightly discounted - they won comfortably in France despite setting up their cars in anticipation of the expected rainfall.
Somebody Other Than Michael Is Being Missed At Ferrari.
To quote from P-F1's Winners and Losers page:
'It was his bad luck that when he came out after his pit-stop there were four cars ahead of him all having their own fight. A lot of drivers use traffic as an excuse to cover up their shortcomings, but such was the close nature of the Ferrari fight that two slow laps dropped him behind Raikkonen.'
Bad luck? Or the type of bad planning that never occurred when Ross Brawn was sitting on the Ferrari pitwall?
Frontrunning Is Key, Part One
Although Kimi Raikkonen's victory doubled the number of times this season that the pole sitter has not gone on to win, the Finn's unlikely success emphasised the importance of frontrunning.
Hamilton's race was lost when, for only the second time this season, he was overtaken off the line. "Even if you are seconds quicker than the car in front, you still can't pass," he reflected in the post-race press conference.
With Raikkonen 'overtaking' his team-mate in the pits, France also marked the first time this season that the driver who led into the first corner of a race has failed to win.
Frontrunning Is Key, Part Two
It is becoming increasingly clear that the 2007 cars are particularly rough in dirty air and that the Ferrari struggles more than most.
Backmarkers cost Massa victory, yet rather than block or rebuff the Brazilian, they repelled him by inadvertently reducing his Ferrari's effectiveness. "Even when you are not very close to the car in front, you lose so much downforce and cannot follow the car," he acknowledged. "You lose speed. That is the biggest problem we had today and I lost the victory because of that."
As Silverstone is generally a tough circuit on which to overtake, Saturday's qualifying session - and the first thirty seconds of Sunday's race - are bound to prove decisive.
Pete Gill.
Fair comments about JB, but RB has not held a 'clear' advantage :s its always been thousands or so. But agreed, like 2001 showed, he cant cope with a bad car, but when he gets a good one he is immense.
Then again, unless you start in Minardi or something, how often will you get a B201 ?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
gav schreef:
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> Sapo Wrote:
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> > OMG @ Spyker, they are getting worse and worse.
> > They really start to remind me off the very bad
> > minardi and prost years (like in 2000/2001
> etc).
> > Very slow, and worse, reversed progression,
> they
> > losing grip on the rest more and more, and the
> > drivers seem to make no progress at all.
>
> It didn't take you long to forget Indy, did it?
Erm yes, it might indeed, i cannot recall anything from Spyker in that race...
However, i might be a bit frustrated when posting this comment, Sutil indeed is doing quite fine, but i still think (even as a chauvinistic Dutchman) Albers really hasn't made any progress, because if he did, he should at least beat his teammates half of the occasions, and not make as much mistakes as he does this season (and i still think his biggest mistake was hitting the wall in Canada, which caused his frontwing break, and not even the pitstop error, which was caused by sheer frustration due to a team and communication error.)
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Some say... he's even smaller than 20kb.
And some say... he's so offensive he could get you into trouble...
The only thing we know is that he's called...
THE SIG
Felipe Massa, World Champion 15:34:11pm- 15:34:21pm.
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> Sapo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > OMG @ Spyker, they are getting worse and worse.
> > They really start to remind me off the very bad
> > minardi and prost years (like in 2000/2001
> etc).
> > Very slow, and worse, reversed progression,
> they
> > losing grip on the rest more and more, and the
> > drivers seem to make no progress at all.
>
> It didn't take you long to forget Indy, did it?
Erm yes, it might indeed, i cannot recall anything from Spyker in that race...
However, i might be a bit frustrated when posting this comment, Sutil indeed is doing quite fine, but i still think (even as a chauvinistic Dutchman) Albers really hasn't made any progress, because if he did, he should at least beat his teammates half of the occasions, and not make as much mistakes as he does this season (and i still think his biggest mistake was hitting the wall in Canada, which caused his frontwing break, and not even the pitstop error, which was caused by sheer frustration due to a team and communication error.)
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Some say... he's even smaller than 20kb.
And some say... he's so offensive he could get you into trouble...
The only thing we know is that he's called...
THE SIG
Felipe Massa, World Champion 15:34:11pm- 15:34:21pm.
Yeah, I think Ferrari's comeback ain't that critical to McLaren...maybe they'll have a harder time than Monaco and Indy, but I think we are going to have a McLaren victory again...just hope Kimi comes ahead of Massa 
Help Lewis? Probably more so Alonso.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
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